On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 02:42:25 +0100, Ralf Callenberg
wrote:

Sam Sloan wrote:

Within the last two days, my biography of Dorsch has been
substantially deleted three times,

Sometimes less is more.

The two people making deletions do not appear to be chess players and
are not a member of this group.

On what do you base your pointless guessing? Well, I am the one who did
the first changes - and yes, actually I am a chess player, but this does
not matter anyway, as your article about Mr. Dorsch has only slightly to
do with chess. The other person is indeed no chess player, she's an
administrator which get involved after I sent a mail to Wikipedia about
your article. I was really surprised how fast these people react! And I
admire her patience.

One is a woman who seems to have been
involved in several other editing wars.

Yes, I suppose this happens quite often if you are an administrator of
Wikipedia. It's more or less part of the job.

Greetings,
Ralf

PS: Regarding your conversation in Wikipedia with the administrator: Tom
Dorsch is _not_, I repeat: _not_ one of the most famous chess players in
the world. Do you really think, that people outside the US chess
politics scene or this newsgroups have only the faintest idea who this
man is, or would be interested in any way? Stating, that more people
know him than Topalov is so silly, that it is almost amazing.

I see. So you are "rook wave" and you are ultimately responsible for
ALL of the attacks on my biography of Dorsch both here and on
Wikipedia.

You say that you are a chess player but, funny thing, nobody here has
ever heard of you.

And you are wrong. Tom Dorsch probably is one of the best known chess
personalities in the world. Foir starters every regular reader of this
group has heard of him. And, until Topolov won the tournament in
Argentina a few weeks ago, more people probably had heard of Dorsch
than had heard of Topolov.

More importantly, you are wrong in your assertion that just because
nobody outside of chess would know or care about Tom Dorsch
disqualifies him from having a biography on Wikipedia. Here are the
published criterea by Wikipedia.

Wikipedia:Notability (people)
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Like any encyclopedia, Wikipedia includes biographies of important
historical figures and people involved in current events. Even though
wiki is not paper, there are some criteria which may be considered for
inclusion.

See also Wikipedia:Importance, which attempts to be a generic, all
inclusive definition of criteria for inclusion.


* Has the person made a widely recognized contribution that is
part of the enduring historical record in the specific field?

People still alive

Biographies on the following people may be included in Wikipedia. This
list is not all-inclusive. There are numerous biographies on Wikipedia
on people who do not fall under any of these categories, but there is
no intention to delete them all.

* Political figures holding international, national or
statewide/provincewide office or members of a national, state or
provincial legislature.
* Major local political figures who receive significant press
coverage
* Widely recognized entertainment personalities and opinion makers
* Sportspeople who have played in a fully professional league, or
a competition of equivalent standing in an individual professional
sport, or at the highest level in mainly amateur sports, including
college sports in the United States. Articles about first team squad
members who have not made a first team appearance may also be
appropriate, but only if the individual is at a club of sufficient
stature that most members of its squad already have articles.
* Notable actors and television personalities who have appeared in
well-known films or television productions. Notability can be
determined by:
o Multiple features in popular culture publications such as
Vogue, GQ, Elle, FHM or national newspapers
o A large fan base, fan listing or "cult" following
o An independent biography
o Name recognition
o Commercial endorsements
* Published authors, editors, and photographers who have written
books with an audience of 5,000 or more or in periodicals with a
circulation of 5,000 or more
* Persons achieving renown or notoriety for their involvement in
newsworthy events

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As can be seen, Tom Dorsch qualifies under several of these criterea.
Incidentally, I was asked by several people to write his biography and
I resisted doing so for a long time. But now that I have done it, I
think that just about everybody here with the exception of yourself
will agree that Tom Dorsch easily meets the standard.

Sam Sloan