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Old March 16th 06, 08:58 PM posted to rec.games.chess.analysis
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Default Cottrel-Epstein US Champ.

John J. wrote:
It doesn't matter who the player is.


That comment by John J. seems characteristic
of his lack of concern with factual accuracy.

Heck, he could have looked it up on the USCF site.


Evidently, Claus-Juergen Heigl attempted to look up 'Cottrel'
(sic, the name given by John J.) at the FIDE website,
and he failed to find any such player. So some of
Claus-Juergen Heigl's time was wasted.

John J. fails to appreciate that, as a writer, he should attempt
to make things easier for readers by taking more care to be
factually accurate (including spelling names correctly).

Folks got all worked up because I posted
a crticism of a badly played opening.


That's John J's disingenuous 'spin' on the responses to
his comments against Kelly Cottrell-Finegold in RGCM.

As far as I can tell, some writers evidently construed
John J's comments as a kind of personal attack against
Kelly Cottrell-Finegold and regarded his behaviour as
rude and offensive.

Here's what Taylor Kingston wrote in RGCM to criticise
John J. for his comments about Kelly Cottrell-Finegold.

"Quit picking on the girl."
--Taylor Kingston (writing to John J.)

"But I think it's in poor taste (for John J.) to ridicule
her play here publicly."
--Taylor Kingston (writing to John J.)

David Richerby also apparently took some exception
to John J's comments against Kelly Cottrell-Finegold.

You know what? If it were me playing I would expect the same.
I don't believe in having a condecending attitude towards a player
just because that player is a woman.


Here's what John J. wrote against Kelly Cottrell-Finegold
in rec.games.chess.misc:

"Affirmative Action at work. lol"
--John J. (2 March 2006)

Would John J. have written such a sneering put-down if
Kelly Cottrell-Finegold had been a white male American?

If that player plyed like a 1000 ELO player, I will say so.
The above question was a sincere quest for opinions yet
yo want to twist it around. I could be as rude as you are
but i won't.


For the benefit of readers in RGCA, I have pointed out
some evidence of John J's rude and offensive behaviour
against Kelly Cottrell-Finegold in RGCM, which may
reveal something of his motives in writing about her.

it seems you're reading more into the post than
anyone else. Stop being so judgemental.


John J. already has quite a record of writing nonsense
in rec.games.chess.misc, and I (and I have not been the
only writer who's been doing that) have the right to point
out that it's nonsense.

If you have nothing positive to contribute to the post why
even bother? Did you even try to analise the position?


No, I did not 'even try to *analise* (sic) the position'.
I have no reason whatsoever to help John J. in particular
improve his comprehension of chess.

I'm done.


John J. usually warrants no response beyond disdain.

--Nick

"Nick" wrote in message
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Claus-Jürgen Heigl wrote:
John J. wrote:
r1bqkb1r/ppp5/3p1nn1/2PPp2p/4Pp2/1NN2Pp1/PP2BBPP/2RQK2R w Kkq - 0 16

In this position Cottrel played Bg1. What's wrong with hxg3?
I don't see any immediate attacks by Black.


The basic difference is that f4 becomes available to the black knights
after hxg3 fxg3 or Lh6. I can't say if that's enough for the pawn.
Do you have a game score? Looking for masters games in this
variation may help in the evaluation.

Cottrel also doesn't appear on FIDE's Elo list. It may be that he
(or she?) doesn't have an Elo which might also be an explanation.


1) Her name is Kelly Cottrell-Finegold. (John J. misspelled it.)

2) Kelly Cottrell has a FIDE rating of 1887.

3) Kelly Cottrell has a USCF rating of 1717
(her last published USCF rating is 1663).

4) By the way, she is married to IM Ben Finegold.

John J. already has shown that he's a careless writer who tends to
post without being clear enough in his writing or careful enough with
his facts.

In rec.games.chess.misc, John J. created a thread, "What's
with the Class B rated player", apparently in order to criticise
Kelly Cottrell-Finegold for playing in the 2006 US Championship.
Please read my posts in that RGCM thread if you are interested in
factually accurate comments about Kelly Cottrell-Finegold's rating.

In rec.games.chess.misc, John J. created a thread, "How
not to play the Benko Gambit", apparently in order to ridicule
how Kelly Cottrell-Finegold lost a game to IM Dmitry Schneider.
Some other writers in that thread took exception to John J's
comments about Kelly Cottrell-Finegold.

--Nick


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