On Feb 21, 4:51 pm, "Jason 911" wrote:

The hideous creature known as Jason Repa bleated:

If after tens of thousands of games white is winning by a greater
margin,
then statistically white has the advantage.

Indeed, the original question had naught to do with statistics

Actually you're wrong. Statistics is a method for gaining insight in such
issues.

Missing the point entirely; clearly, the compilation of
statistics for games between humans is far afield of the
real issue, which was of course the theoretical perfect
play, and whether or not White and/or Black was in a
state of zugzwang given *perfect* play. (It goes without
saying that, in a game between imbeciles -- say, the
Repa creature and Sanny's weakest level -- both sides
are perpetually in a state of mutual zugzwang.)


The original thread question was:

Is the initial position in chess a mutual zugzwang?

Very good! You're not *quite* as dumb as you look,
after all.

Zugzwang isn't conditional on whether or not the play is "perfect" or "less
than perfect" it has nothing whatsoever to do with that. Zugzwang means that
regardless of the play, there is no move that can be made such that the
position does not worsen. Is some of this sinking in yet?

That's not a bad attempt -- for an imbecile, I mean.

But although it may be too complex for the creature
to comprehend, the idea is that in order to determine
whether or not there is a "mutual zugzwang", we need
to basically solve the game (or else come up with
something like "perfect play" as a tool. Very complex,
you know. Otherwise, we are doing what is quite often
termed "shooting in the dark". Again, quite beyond the
grasp of the lower creatures (pity them all).


ps, I've mated both Kevin (on the board), and his late wife (off the
board)

Do we really *need* to know the sordid details of the
creature's love life? Certainly not, IMO.


Actually it would. The only thing you're pointing out here is that you have
a very modest IQ and are unable to think outside of the box.

Speaking of the box, however did you manage to get
out? I mean, doesn't your keeper use a lock, a latch,
or something of that sort to ensure your own safety?
It is inadvisable for creatures like you to be out and
about unsupervised, where you may inadvertently
place yourselves in harm's way (not that it would be
any real loss to the world if harm were to befall you).

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