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Old September 16th 07, 12:47 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chinese-chess,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,soc.culture.china
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Default Susan Polgar claims she has a "Good Relationship" with Xie Jun now

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Originally Posted by tanstaafl
There's no reason to debate this with you, Mr.
Sloan. You have no evidence to support your claim, and the evidence
that I've seen is all on the other side. Those pesky documents with
"FIDE" and "World Championship" printed on them seem to provide
adequate evidence that your claim is not only not proven, it's FALSE.
(As I recall, Don Schultz found a listing of one of the "other" three
world championships in an official FIDE publication. Why do you keep
asserting that Ms. Polgar didn't win this event?). You can try to
diminish the importance of those world championships, if you like, but
there is solid evidence that they were won by Susan Polgar.

Hypothetically, yes, that would have been unethical. Just as
it would be unethical if a candidate for office claimed to have been a
NM (and there's substantial proof of this one since lots of people
have actually seen the video) when rated in the 1900s, IF those
disputed "World Championships" hadn't been won.

On the other hand, your rating (having fallen into the 1900s) seems to
show that you made a false claim about having been a rated master.
You'd have a floor at 2000 if you'd ever had an official rating over
2200, wouldn't you?

It's not Susan Polgar that made this false claim, Mr. Sloan, it was
you. Just as it was you that was censured and reprimanded by the
Ethics Committee multiple times for your unethical conduct (even
though YOU got your own hand-picked member added to the ethics
committee when you already had a case pending for them -- did you
really not understand "conflict of interest"? -- it must have been
embarrassing when you lost your cases anyway).

So, unless you have actual PROOF, I'd request you quit claiming OTHERS
have taken unethical actions. There's a solid record against you, not
the others you keep pointing your finger at.

tanstaafl
Where are those "pesky documents with 'FIDE' and 'World Championship'
printed on them"? They do not exist. There are no such documents. They
are products of your imagination.

FIDE decides the Woman's World Championship, not you or me or Susan
Polgar. Unlike the Overall or "Men's" World Championship which have
had several disputed championships, not unlike the Heavyweight Boxing
Championship, FIDE has always regulated the Woman's World Championship
since 1927 and the title has never been disputed.

The Woman's World Champions since 1927 have been Menchik, Rudenko,
Bykova, Rubetsova, Bykova (again), Gaprindashvili, Chiburdanidze, Xie
Jun, Polgar, Xie Jun (again), Zhu Chen, Stefanova, and Xu Yuhua (the
current world champion).

As can be plainly seen, Polgar won the Woman's World Championship only
one time. That was in 1996.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%2...Chess_Champion

As to what Don Schultz found, that was that the unofficial World
Championship for Girls Under-16 held in England in 1981 was on a FIDE
list. This is noteworthy because the first official FIDE World
Championship for Girls Under-16 was held in Dresden, Germany in 1982
and Polgar did not win it. However, regardless of whether the 1981
event is considered a world championship or not, it is only a World
Championship for Girls Under-16, not a Woman's World Championship.

Since there are no other Woman's World Championships in dispute, it is
clear that Susan Polgar won the Woman's World Championship only one
time. Nevertheless, she continues to refer to herself as THE World
Chanmpion (omitting the word "Women's"). She is apparently taking a
leaf from Bobby Fischer's page, since Fischer calls himself the still
current World Champion (claiming that the title was taken from him
illegally) and similarly Susan Polgar says that she is still the world
champion too. However, these "world championships" claimed by Fischer
and Polgar are not recognized by FIDE, and as long as the USCF is a
member of FIDE we cannot recognize them either.

As for your obviously bogus "ethics complaints" (you fail to mention
that these are your complaints) they are obviously politically
motivated nonsense, as anybody can see who looks at them.

By the way, I have the official title of FM (equivalent to FIDE
Master) recognized by the World Chinese Chess Federation, as you will
find if you search their website.

Sam Sloan

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