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Old November 10th 07, 06:48 AM posted to rec.games.chess.misc,rec.games.chess.computer
Sanny
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Default GetClub vs. Jester games faked?

On Nov 9, 5:18 pm, help bot wrote:
On Nov 9, 12:47 am, Sanny wrote:

I played the games between Jester & Easy Level. Play a few games with
Easy Level they will play as good as Jester. I played with default
settings in Jester Vs Easy Level.


For the record, at default levels Jester plays a move
in just three seconds.

I am seeing that Zebediah yesterday played 2-3 games with Beginner
Level. He managed to beat Beginner level in just 13 moves. While
others take 50-60 Moves to beat the Beginner Level.


I just replayed that game. While it is possible that this
was a well-known book trap, it looked a lot like a decentchessprogram which got lucky whenGetClubrefused
to defend its King. Generally speaking, all otherchess
programs value the King, and they use tactical search
extensions whenever there is a check or capture to
avoid this sort of fiasco. BTW, if it was a well-known
book trap, your team should be congratulated for
getting the program to find all the book moves up to
where it went astray -- that's quite an improvement.

Also note that Zeb played exactly three games vs.
the Beginner level; probably this was because your
site claims you get one-third of a point for each win.
Beating the Beginner level three times takes far less
time than a single game against the Master level, or
even the Normal level since it plays much tougherchess.

The reasion you loose with jester is that it has very small board to
analyze whileGetClubBoard is quite Big to analyze.


While it is true I don't like the graphicchessboard
and that the dark pieces on a dark backgrround are
difficult to see, I believe I lost because Jester played
very much like Fritz -- good, solid moves. How it
manages to play poorly in your tests escapes me,
but I could simply conduct my own tests and report
the results here. Want to bet what the outcome
will be? :D

FurtherGetClub
shows what move it is thinking So you get an idea what it is going to
play.


GetClubdisplays "thinking on Queen" or something
to that effect; that is not the same as revealing the
move it intends to play! There could be ten legal
moves for that piece, or it could simply not be up to
date.

Generally speaking, except against the Beginner
level, I switch to another "tab" instead of dying of
boredom watching thechessscreen while the
program thinks.

Thinking on Pawn, Thinking on Queen ... And you know what is going in
GetClubMind. So you get more time to descide your move.


I will take that as indicating that what is on the
display is the best move found so far; I was not
aware of that. Manychessprograms will display
the move they are *currently analyzing*, even if it
is believed to be a titanic blunder.

Now Easy Level atGetClubplays as good as Jester. And in 4 Matches I
feel It will give 2-2 Score.


Few will believe your test results, since you were
reporting dramatic improvements which no one else
could seem to "see", seemingly for decades before
the noticeable improvements came along. Now many
of the meanies or critics have disappeared -- just when
your cries of "wolf!" are becoming genuine. I can feel
the strength improving, but the entire village has turned
a deaf ear.

My Computer is P-IV 2.5 Ghz 512 MB RAM. So it is Quite fast.


How do you know whether the limited resources
are fairly apportioned between the two Java applets?
It seems to me that your reported games show
Jester playing much weakerchessthan what I
experienced, though I gave it a bit more time per
move. Perhaps you need to utilize two computers,
or perhaps this is not even possible without some
tweaking by an expert.

-- help bot


Yesterday there was a bug which was making it mplay badly. Today that
bug was spotted and removed.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

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