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Old March 17th 08, 03:24 AM posted to rec.games.board,rec.games.chess.misc,rec.games.chess.analysis,rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.backgammon
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Default Has Checkers Been Solved?

On Mar 17, 10:39*am, "
wrote:
On Mar 16, 2:55 pm, wrote:

IIRC all tournament openings are shown to be a draw. IIRC further the
other openings are not selected in tournament play because they gave
one player a too large advantage.


Almost.

First, what Schaeffer did is to show that freestyle (unrestricted)
checkers is an absolute draw.

He has not analyzed all of the 3-move restriction openings so he has
not proven that tournament checkers is a draw. *He has proven that
some of the 3-movers are a draw, and will likely eventually show that
all 156 of the accepted tournament choices are a draw (the other few
are almost certain losses and are not used). *Of course, there could
be a deeply-buried surprise in one or more of the 156, but with the
amount of other computer analysis done to date, it's not very likely
--- but it hasn't been categorically proven yet.

But translate this over to human players, and checkers is certainly
not a draw when played by real people, even at the very highest
current level of human skill. *So people are going to keep playing.


My recollection is slightly different. I remember looking at results
from the highest level of checkers play and a player would win a match
by 1 game to 0 with 20 draws. However, that's an impression from
memory only -- I haven't been able to check it. Can you back up your
claim with hard stats? If the world no. 1 plays the world no. 2,
would they draw less than 95% of their games? (I doubt it.) I think
it's a pretty dead game at the highest level.

Paul Esptein

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