On Mar 26, 8:50*am, "Chess One" wrote:
"help bot" wrote in message

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On Mar 25, 6:38 pm, "Chess One" wrote:

**people who disagree should tell Boris Spassky their fascinating
opinions.
It certainly served him against 2500-2600 players, which is probably
no
inhibition to anyone reading in this newsgroup.

*A crucial correction: Boris Spassky was
*not* limited in his success with the King's
Gambit to 2500-2600 players; in fact, his
most famous wins include one against
Bobby Fischer; in sum, GM Spassky
seems to have had no particular limit
whatever here.

I am sorry, but any singular instance does not comprise any 'whatever'
statement.

*Who said it was a singular instance?

To take your question literarally, you did.

*For those who are not lost in a fog of
ignorance, several such wins can quite
easily be located in a matter on minutes.
For instance, in addition to beating BF,
GM Spassky also nailed GM Bronstein
and GM Karpov with his King's Gambit.

Once!

*The game with GM Bronstein reminded
me of the one with GM Fischer,

Which was in 1960! [Mar del Plata] where Fischer seemed to err in a
Kieseritzky with 11. ... c5?

in that
GM Spassky seemed to not be bothered
a bit by his "material shortage"; he just
played to win, which to his mind involved
direct attacks on the enemy King.

Yes - his other trademark was B x N on f6, and he made a living out of that
too.





Spassky's trainers told him it wouldn't work at the top level.

*This /could/ explain why the wins I
found were not from his peak years, but
from those both before and afterward.

*But then, that was in a database of
"uploaded" games which is undoubtedly
far from comprehensive.

And it
doesn't, otherwise we would see a KG at 2700 level, and we do not.

*The closest *win* I found was against
GM Karpov, in 1982.

Spassky -Xie Jun, Monaco 1994 [Kieseritzky]
Spassky-Seirawan, Monpellier 1985, 1-0

*I did not check to
see the list of GM Spassky's losses as
White in the King's Gambit. *Let's see...
World Champion Karpov was rated what
back then? *2700ish? *Oh-- did I mention
that he was the world champion? *LOL!

Let you not get overexcited about half a dozen games in a carear - since
indeed if Spassky HAD felt that it was a viable opening at 2600-2700 level,
he surely would have utilised it much more.

This returns to the first point I made, and what you cite are 'surprise'
exceptions to the rule. Your list actually supports what I am saying, since
if there are half a dozen wins with the KG at tops levels, is that still as
much as 1% of Spassky's repetoire?







But this is to escape help-not's own point, which was to challenge the d6
pawn and d4 being the only way.

*My computer examined the famous
game GM Spassky vs. GM Fischer
from 1960, and rejected our man's
commentary from MSMG, saying:

"Black was just losing the whole time!
A pawn down, some interesting
complications, but nothing *I* couldn't
handle easily. *Black tossed it away
by a single tactical blunder, and White
mopped up neatly." *-- Fritz

You should make it clearer in the first place if it is help-bot or Fritz who
is offering opinions. Both are nothing more than argumentative declarations.
Only Greg Kennedy can have an understanding of what he himself knows of
chess ~ and let that be a lesson to you about your psychological use of a
persona ~ one which has been refuted recently by the entire newsgroup on
chess understanding and chess history.

Phil Innes

To inject some statistics into this discussion, here is a list of
all games on the CB Megadatabase 2005 in which Spassky played the
King's Gambit (1.e4 e5 2.f4) as White. I give the name of his
opponent, the event and date, the result, and the number of moves:

Averbakh, 22nd USSR Ch, Moscow 1955 1-0, 29
Bronstein, 27th USSR Ch, Leningrad 1960 1-0, 23
Y. Sakharov, 27th USSR Ch, Leningrad 1960 1-0, 30
Liberzon, 27th USSR Ch, Leningrad 1960 ½-½, 34
P. Gibbs, event? 1960 1-0, 25
P. Tumurbator, event? 1960, 1-0 37
Fischer, Mar del Plata 1960, 1-0, 29
Najdorf, Varna Olympiad 1962, ½-½, 27
Limbos, Varna Olympiad 1962, 1-0, 37
Novopashin, 30th USSR Ch, Yerevan 1962,½-½, 21
Matanovic, Belgrade 1964, ½-½, 41
Krogius, Chigorin Memorial 1964, ½-½, 45
Kholmov, 31st USSR Ch playoff, 1964, 1-0, 25
Portisch, Budapest 1967, 1-0, 56
Bronstein, Moscow 1971, ½-½, 18
Ornstein, Nice Olympiad 1974, ½-½, 74
Pytel, Nice Olympiad 1974, 1-0, 39
Karpov, exhibition, Hamburg, 1982, 1-0, 84
Hermann, Bundesliga, 1985, 1-0, 31
Rivas Pastor, Linares 1985, ½-½, 13
Seirawan, Candidates Tournament 1985, 1-0, 32
Susan Polgar, Wellington 1988, 1-0, 42
J. Martinez, Oviedo rapid 1991, 1-0, 25
A. David, France, 1993, ½-½, 60
Xie Jun, Veterans-vs-Women 1994, ½-½, 25
Korchnoi, St. Petersburg rapid 1999, ½-½, 34
Fressinet, France, 2001, ½-½, 23
Adamapoulos, simul, Kalamata, 2002, ½-½, 14

This is an overall record of +15 -0 =13. Surprising to me that
Spassky seems never to have lost with the KG in serious play. And his
opponents include Averbakh, Bronstein, Fischer, Najdorf, Kholmov,
Portisch, Seirawan and Korchnoi, all-time greats every one.