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Old April 18th 08, 11:53 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
jeremy.p.spinrad@vanderbilt.edu
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Default Ignorance Opens Its Mouth, Inserts Foot. (was: INCRIMINATING! YeGods!)

On Apr 18, 10:56*am, wrote:
On Apr 18, 7:22*am, Rob wrote:





On Apr 17, 1:40 pm, wrote:


On Apr 17, 10:45 am, Rob wrote:


Chess Cafe' writers have a collective tendency to
attack Polgar and Truong and anyone associated even in the slightest
with Chessville.


* Rob, this is about the most absurd thing you have ever written here,
and that's saying a mouthful. Did you actually bother to check
*_anything_* at ChessCafe.com before posting this idiocy??


* Susan Polgar has written a monthly column for ChessCafe since
mid-2002 -- nearly six years -- as anyone with eyes and a brain can
confirm he


*http://www.chesscafe.com/archives/ar...Polgar%20on%20...


* Can you provide specific examples in which Susan, as a ChessCafe
writer, has attacked herself?


* As a regular contributor to ChessCafe (about 130 book reviews and
several historical articles 1998-2007), I never wrote anything so much
as disagreeing with Susan Polgar, let along "attacking her."
* And though I have definitely been "associated even in the slightest
with Chessville," having been interviewed by Phil Innes some years
ago, I don't recall ever being attacked by any ChessCafe writer as a
result.
* As for other ChessCafe columnists attacking Polgar, I rather doubt
it. Again, I would ask that you present specific examples that support
your claim. However, since you have obviously made your claim without
even bothering to find out who ChessCafe's columnists are, let alone
actually reading what they have written, I seriously doubt you have
any specifics at all.


* This group has seen many examples of people inventing and attacking
things they never read, e.g. Sam Sloan's false statements about my
Keres articles, and Larry Parr faulting me for something I never wrote
but Larry Evans did. But this may just be the most ridiculous case of
all.


Let me modify my statement. "Chess Cafe' writers who regularly post on
RGC". There. I think that pretty much narrows it down.


* Practically narrows it out of existence.

You all knew
what was ment. [sic]


* Really? No, Rob, we only know what you say, which was "Chess Cafe'
writers have a collective tendency to
attack Polgar and Truong and anyone associated even in the slightest
with Chessville."

* "Collective tendency" means that a majority of the group exhibit the
behavior. You have not named even one who does so.
* And who are these "Chess Cafe' writers who regularly post on RGC"?
If we include myself, even though I no longer write anything for
ChessCafe, how many is that? I'd say two: Jeremy Spinrad and me. Since
I seldom say much of anything about Susan Polgar, and have never even
bothered to disagree with her, let alone
attack her in writing, that leaves just one possible person: Spinrad.
* Temporarily accepting, just for the sake of argument, that Spinrad
may have attacked Polgar (and I really don't know if he has or not),
that leaves a total of one.


Actually, I can not be used as part of the reason in this context. The
original statement said that I was perhaps being unfairly blamed for
other chess cafe writers attacks on chessville.

I am, of course, waiting for Phil to retract his statement that I am
hiding the fact that I am an interested party in writing about Polgar.
I assert that this is simply wrong. He cannot justify this by some
revelation of how I have some interest in the case which I am unaware
of; he called on me to reveal the information to the newsgroup. I
frankly know of no personal interest I have in Polgar or Truong, and
if he says otherwise he is lying. As I have never hidden, I have a
chess cafe column, and am a life member of the USCF; I cannot imagine
what else he could be thinking about, if thinking is the right word.

Jerry Spinrad


* Now Rob, please explain to us how we get a "collective tendency"
from just one person?

But, true to form you attacked not the intent but
rather the form.


* No, Rob, I pointed out that your statement was completely false, and
that you had not the slightest knowledge of what you were talking
about. You didn't even know that Polgar herself has been a regular
ChessCafe columnist for nearly six years.- Hide quoted text -

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