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ASCACHESS wrote:
...the US would have won both wars with or without support.

George Mirijanian (Miriling) wrote to ASCACHESS:
Are you serious?

Evidently, he seriously believes it; some other people don't believe it.

"US played some secondary important role in the victory over Hitler."
--GM Mikhail Golubev (17 April 2003, 'A new enemy of Lev Khariton')

Without the Russians, i.e. Soviets, the U.S. could not have
won the war in Europe. Ask any World War II military expert.

After the war, nearly every German general acknowledged that Germany had lost
the war primarily as a consequence of its conflict with the Soviet Union.

"Britain could never have built enough military power to invade the Continent
alone. *Unless the strength of the Soviet Union were added, the United States
could not have projected sufficient military force across the Atlantic Ocean,
even over a period of years, to reconquer Europe by amphibious invasion in
the face of an untouched German war machine.* Since the United States was
increasingly preoccupied with the threat of Japan, it almost certainly would
not have challenged Germany.

Thus, Germany would have been left with a virtually invincible empire and the
leisure to develop defenses and resources that, in time, would permit it to
match the strength of the United States. Though Britain might have refused
to make peace, a de facto cease-fire would have ensued. The United States
would have concentrated on defense of the Western Hemisphere and Pacific.
Even if the United States had proceeded with development of the atomic bomb,
it would have hesitated to unleash it against Germany."

--Bevin Alexander (How Hitler Could Have Won World War II, p. xii)

Bevin Alexander was an official historian for the United States Army.

Atomic bomb.

Without the work of any non-American scientists, would the United States
have been able to develop the atomic bomb first and be certain enough that
there should be no significant risk of retaliation by a German atomic bomb?

Larger air force than all the others combined.

I doubt that the United States's air arms (Army, Navy, Marines) could have
achieved air superiority over the combined forces of the Royal Air Force,
VVS (Soviet Air Force), Luftwaffe, and Japanese air forces (Army, Navy).
Moreover, both the Germans and the British were more advanced than the
Americans at introducing the revolutionary new jet aeroplanes into service.

Larger navy than all the others combined.
One hundred aircraft carriers by 1945.

That would have been irrelevant to conquering Germany on land.

Yes, we could have done it without the Russians.

"We *could* have done it without the Russians" is a weaker assertion than the
previous "the US *would* have won both wars with or without (any) support".

'What elegant historian would neglect a striking opportunity for pointing out
that his heroes did not foresee the history of the world, or even of their
own actions?'
--George Eliot (Middlemarch)

--Nick