ospam (Jerome Bibuld) wrote in message ...
Heil Dubya!

ROTFLMAO! So, in the hypocritical words of "Isidor Gunsberg", " ... Cubans,
Iranians, (North?) Koreans competitors were barred for political reasons,
because of the difficult relations that the US has with the respective
governments ... " while "Jewish players were barred from entry into
Libya because of sheer bigotry."

Bibuld, there are none so blind as those who will not see. If you
want to mantain a stance of stuborn ignorance, you are welcome to do
so. That anti-Jewish sentiments are rife throughout the Islamic world,
and are particularly intense throughtout the Arab world, is evident to
anybody with a shred of objectivity.


I get an unhappy kick out of these Europeans (including the United Statesians)
who choose to deny history; that is, that, for centuries, while European states
and populations were persecuting Jews, the ONLY safe haven for them was in
Spain and other Muslim lands.

This is a canard. The Eastern religions, such as Hinduism and and
Buddhism, were much more hospitable to Jews than were Muslim. Islam
accorded "people of the book" (eg Christians and Jews) a protected
status of being "tolerated", which was known as Dhimmitude. At BEST,
the Muslim treatment of Jews would have been quite similar to the
treatment of blacks in the South, during the "Jim Crow" era. Jews and
Christians were systematically discriminated against. Often, Muslims
engaged in pograms against the Jews. Even during the "Golden Era" in
Spain, life was rather insecure for the Jews.

In Islamdom, Jews generally avoided the depths of persecution that
they had to endure in Christian lands. However, they were also never
able to rise to the levels of status that they could occasionally
obtain in Christendom during the "good times"

In fact, until the Europeans invented Zionism --
in order to justify invasion of the East of the Arab World -- Jews and Muslims
lived quite (meaning "fully") comfortably with each other in all of North
Africa and the East of the Arab World.

What a pernicious lie! After the 14th century, things began to
take a marked turn for the worse, especially in the Arab regions.
Moreover, the treatment of Jew had gotten progressively worse,
especially by the 19th Century. This was before the advent of Zionism.

Like many other European racist myths,
the "historical" antipathy between Jews and Arabs is a lie.

Been reading Saudi propaganda again??

Once again, Jews were invited to participate in the World Championship. I do
not know whether Zionist Occupiers of Palestine ("Israelis") were invited or
not.

"Isidor Gunsberg" has posted the following:

Vladyslav Kosulin wrote in message
.. .
Bugsy wrote:

Jun. 16, 2004 0:09

Wednesday Call: Chess - not just for smart people anymore


By MIKE LEBOWITZ

Muammar Gaddafi's past two weeks haven't been a complete failure.

Sure he got busted trying to wack the Saudi crown prince. But he did
manage
to get the entire world, including the International Olympic Committee
(IOC), to ban Jews from a major competition beginning this week.
Considering
the fact that many anti-Semites could care less about a bullet-riddled
Saudi
dictator, I would say that Gaddafi will be celebrated for his
achievement.

Zionists would definitely prefer he succeed with Saudi prince action. So
what?

There is no doubt this event is FIDE worst ever achievement, not just
because
Jews can not participate, but because the top players can not either.

What really makes me crazy is when Libya barres Jews - it is a shame, but
when
USA essentially the same way barres Cuban, Iranian, Korean sportsmen from
official sports events - nobody cares.

Regards,
Vlad

If the US were to bar Cuban, Iranian, and Korean
***chessplayers*** from coming to the US to play in a FIDE event, then
FIDE should NOT award its World Championships or Chess Olympiads to
the US. There really is no justification for banning artists or
sporting competitors solely on the basis of Nationality.

I believe that when FIDE held its World Championship in Las Vegas,
several of the players who had qualified from countries such as Iran
had difficulted obtain Visas to enter the US, and ultimately did not
attend the event.

The wrong of the US in barring Cuban, Iranians, and Koreans from
various competitions does NOT, however, justify the further wrong of
FIDE holding a competition in Libya, where Israelis and Jews will be
banned.

Moreover, I should note that Cubans, Iranians, (North?) Koreans
competitors were barred for political reasons, because of the
difficult relations that the US has with the respective governments.
The sanctions against Iranian, Cuban, and Korean competitors and
artists is both counterproductive and mean-spirited. Iranians were not
barred because they were Persian, nor were the North Koreans barred
because they were Korean (after all, presumeably, South Koreans were
allowed to participate). Jewish players were barred from entry into
Libya because of sheer bigotry. Therein lies an important distinction.
Moreover, after the Dubai 1986 Chess Olympiad, FIDE had set a policy
never to hold an event in a venue where Israelis would not be allowed
to attend. Yet their undertaking gets tossed aside for the sake of
moral expediency.

Let me close by pointing out that guaranteeing access to officail
FIDE events to all qualified competitors is no easy matter. Back when
FIDE held an InterZonal in Biel,it turned out the Julio Granda Zuniga
was prevented by Swiss authorities from entering the country, which
caused him to miss the start of the event. Granda Zuniga was barred
because of racist policy on the part of the Swiss. They assumed that
because he was Peruvian that he was seeking to illegally immigrate to
Switzerland. His bona fides and documents were in order, yet the Swiss
seemed unable to believe that Granda Zuniga could be a Grandmaster
chessplayer. This travesty occurred in the country where Switzerland
is based.


Heute Uhmuhrikkka, Afghanistan, Irak und Haïti. Morgen die ganze Welt!

Uhmuhrikkka, Uhmuhrikkka über Alles!

(The more information that comes out about the attacks on the Twin Towers and
the Pentagon of 11 September 2001 the more it appears that those attacks were
organized by the rulers of the United States and were intended to have the same
effect on the people of the United States that the Reichstag fire had on the
people of Germany in 1933.)

Fight terrorism! Dissolve the CIA and disarm the Pentagon! (I have watched
the hearings of the Commission to investigate the attacks on the Twin Towers
and the Pentagon of 11 September 2001. As a result, I have become convinced
that every one of the witnesses and their four Presidents - and every one of
the Commissioners - should be tried for:
(1. Conspiracy to commit terrorism; and/or
(2. Commission of terrorist acts; and/or
(3. Conspiracy to commit murder; and/or
(4. Commission of murder; and/or
(5. Treason; and/or
(6. Suborning one or more of the above acts.)

Fraternally,

Jerome Bibuld
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