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Old September 2nd 04, 04:28 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,rec.games.chess
Sam Sloan
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Default US Olympiad Team

On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:49:09 -0400, "Angelo DePalma"
wrote:


I don't understand the Nakamura thing at all. Was there no discretion in the
selection process? Was it done by rating? Seems that someone who made it to
R4 of the WCh deserves a spot.

Has anyone heard anything about how players were selected?

adp


The players are selected on the basis of a formula by rating only. The
cut-off date was April, which means that the success of Nakamura in
reaching Round 4 of the World Championship in June and the success of
Akobian in winning the World Open in July counts zero.

This formula system was intended to take politics out of team
selection, but the result has been bad. For example, the formula fails
to take into account activity.

For this reason Gulko who has played almost not at all for several
years gets on the team because he is rated a few points higher than
Nakamura who has been very active and is a rapidly improving young
player.

http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlTnmtHst.php?12473035

I believe that the system should be changed, but I do not know what
changes should be made. Certainly Nakamura and possibly Kamsky and
Akobian belong on the team.

We need to kick off the old foggies who produced such poor results in
both the 2000 Olympiad in Istanbul and the 2002 Olympiad in Bled and
bring in some young improving players like Nakamura and Akobian.
However, I cannot think of an equitable way to accomplish unless we go
back to the old system.

Sam Sloan
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Old September 2nd 04, 05:47 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,rec.games.chess
Angelo DePalma
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Default US Olympiad Team


You hit on all the major issues.

Most relevant is fairness. The best absolute measure (imperfect as it is) of
skill at this point is the rating system. Remember the hullaballoo over the
women's team selection? Imagine the outcry if a lower-rated player were
chosen over Gulko. Imagine the lawsuits! USCF might be forced to split into
seven pieces, each located in a different continent.

There should, however, be a built-in mechanism, both for FIDE and USCF
ratings, to deduct points due to inactivity. If not actually programmed into
the rating system, such a system should be integrated into decision-making
for determining olympiad teams and US Championship participation. A rating
loss of 5-10 points per quarter of inactivity wouldn't be unreasonable. Haha
you could make it 10 pts/month and that would put Kamsky's rating at around
1640!! Oh baby, he could play in the U-1700 sections.

adp

"Sam Sloan" wrote in message
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On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:49:09 -0400, "Angelo DePalma"
wrote:


I don't understand the Nakamura thing at all. Was there no discretion in

the
selection process? Was it done by rating? Seems that someone who made it

to
R4 of the WCh deserves a spot.

Has anyone heard anything about how players were selected?

adp


The players are selected on the basis of a formula by rating only. The
cut-off date was April, which means that the success of Nakamura in
reaching Round 4 of the World Championship in June and the success of
Akobian in winning the World Open in July counts zero.

This formula system was intended to take politics out of team
selection, but the result has been bad. For example, the formula fails
to take into account activity.

For this reason Gulko who has played almost not at all for several
years gets on the team because he is rated a few points higher than
Nakamura who has been very active and is a rapidly improving young
player.

http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlTnmtHst.php?12473035

I believe that the system should be changed, but I do not know what
changes should be made. Certainly Nakamura and possibly Kamsky and
Akobian belong on the team.

We need to kick off the old foggies who produced such poor results in
both the 2000 Olympiad in Istanbul and the 2002 Olympiad in Bled and
bring in some young improving players like Nakamura and Akobian.
However, I cannot think of an equitable way to accomplish unless we go
back to the old system.

Sam Sloan



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Old September 2nd 04, 09:10 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,rec.games.chess
Sam Sloan
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Default US Olympiad Team

On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:47:14 -0400, "Angelo DePalma"
wrote:


You hit on all the major issues.

Most relevant is fairness. The best absolute measure (imperfect as it is) of
skill at this point is the rating system. Remember the hullaballoo over the
women's team selection? Imagine the outcry if a lower-rated player were
chosen over Gulko. Imagine the lawsuits! USCF might be forced to split into
seven pieces, each located in a different continent.

There should, however, be a built-in mechanism, both for FIDE and USCF
ratings, to deduct points due to inactivity. If not actually programmed into
the rating system, such a system should be integrated into decision-making
for determining olympiad teams and US Championship participation. A rating
loss of 5-10 points per quarter of inactivity wouldn't be unreasonable. Haha
you could make it 10 pts/month and that would put Kamsky's rating at around
1640!! Oh baby, he could play in the U-1700 sections.

adp


In the case of Kamsky, he has played 20 rated games since June and has
reestablished himself as the number one US player.

Therefore, to get him on the team, all that needs to be done is use
the August rating list rather than the April rating list.

http://www.uschess.org/ratings/top/0408/OverallList.php

Sam Sloan
 




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