On 7 Jan 2005 12:07:40 -0800, wrote:

All,

I apologize for the late response. I haven't visited rgcp in a while.

Sorry to see you here. Kindly go crawl back under the rock where you
came from. The last time you came here you brought in the era where
the USCF lost two million dollars. How much will you lose for us this
time?

Sam Sloan wrote:
Very interesting. They rely on a report by Games Parlor itself that
Games Parlor software did not contain spyware, plus a report by
George
John,

Sam Sloan is incorrect. The report was written by Myron Lieberman.

a confirmed member of the Redman Gang

Confirmed by whom? Certainly, not by me. I remain a steadfast
independent, one who agrees or disagrees based on facts and not the
person.

Nobody familiar with your record says that you are independent. I
suppose that now you are going to claim that you are not a member of
the Beatriz Marinello Gang.

who knew very little about computers.

This is of course a matter of opinion. The field of computers is so
broad than even the top experts in the field likely know only a tiny
percentage of all that could be known about computing, and could be
said to know "very little" about computers.

That said, I have been gainfully employed, full-time, as a software
developer since late 1970's. For about 12 of those years I was also
the system/network administrator for a small engineering firm;
although, that role consumed a small percentage of my time. I am proud
of my work, what I have learned, and accomplished.

Kindly name one software program that you have worked on.

How does working in a used furniture store (your full time job, when
you were not dabbling with computers) qualify you to be on the USCF
Executive Biard?

Interesting that they cite a report published in Chess Life by Myron
Lieberman, but the Lieberman Report clearly stated that there was
spyware in US Chess Life. Go back and read it.

Certainly worth reading again is the report Myron submitted. A copy
can be found at
http://georgejohn.bcentralhost.com/G...uter/USCL3.htm

The middle of it deals with the so-called "spyware" issue.

Thank you for providing this. Here is a direct quote. Would anyone
allow this software into their computer after reading the following,
written by Myron Lieberman:

"Games Parlor arranged with Conducent to be a replacement for
Radiate as a provider of ads. They made it clear that the "Spyware"
method used by Radiate was unacceptable. Conducent's "Timesink"
software normally does include a similar executable file, however
Conducent agreed to use a version of their software that did not
include that file. When the USCL client software is downloaded the
license agreement discloses that the Internet connection may be used
by the Conducent software to transfer information and reference is
made to Conducent's privacy statement, which can be found at
(http://www.conducent.com/privacy/index.html). The Conducent privacy
statement indicates that it may collect non-personally identifiable
information over the user's Internet connection. It is written in a
vague enough way to where there could be real concerns over what is
not said. Please keep in mind, however, that this privacy statement is
written to apply to all versions of the software, not just the version
used with USCL.

"Conducent, like Radiate and many other companies, has been
under fire as a supplier of "spyware". Privacy oriented web sites such
as www.grc.com/output.htm, www.lavasoft.de, and others refer to
Conducent/Timesink software as "spyware", primarily because of the
executable file that is not included with the USCL client. Message
boards such as Usenet newsgroup alt.privacy.spyware and
www.cookiecentral.com/board.htm. are worth checking for those that
want to learn more in general about privacy on the Internet."


Later on, both Conducit and Radiate, the producers of the spyware that
was in US Chess Life, were put out of business by the legal
authorities. I do not know if they went to jail.

Who would you believe, George John, Tim Redman

or Sam Sloan? ;-)

or the Michigan
Attorney General? -snip-

IIRC, the Michigan Attorney General's issue was the lack of disclosure
by a software company that was using the Conducent technology and did
NOT follow Conducent's requirements (at the time I downloaded the
Conducent SDK and reviewed it) for proper disclosure.
Best regards,

George

Are you claiming that Conducent was not put out of business and faced
with criminal charges? If so, what is their address?

Just because you allowed Conducent software into your computer, do you
believe that the rest of us would have allowed it in, had we known
what it contained?

Sam Sloan

"Sam Sloan" wrote in message
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On 7 Jan 2005 12:07:40 -0800, wrote:

All,

-snip-

Kindly name one software program that you have worked on.

Nearly all of my work is custom software development. It has often been
highly proprietary and confidential in nature. I have often worked on
projects that were considered cutting edge technology in the oil business.
My work has not been on shrink-wrapped applications that you buy off the
shelf.

But, I can give you one that I wrote every line of, which I donated to the
USCF free of charge, and have supported free of charge:

http://www.georgejohn.bcentralhost.c.../perfrate.html

Another one is http://georgejohn.bcentralhost.com/tca/ktable.htm which was
written to help people to print out something they could take to events to
estimate rating changes while away from a computer.

These are relatively simple applications. My current projects have tens of
thousands of line of code in them.

-snip-

Are you claiming that Conducent was not put out of business and faced
with criminal charges? If so, what is their address?

I am making no such claim. I was only referring to the Michigan AG case
that was previously discussed on rgcp long ago.

Just because you allowed Conducent software into your computer, do you
believe that the rest of us would have allowed it in, had we known
what it contained?

I wouldn't begin to claim to know what everyone else would allow or not.
While it is true that the Conducent software didn't particularly bother me
at the time since there had been something like 8 million downloads with it
and no reports of any ACTUAL problems that I could find on the Web anywhere,
I think people are entitled to their opinions and concerns, and the USCF's
pardner could have done a much better job with disclosure, particularly
earlier on in the project.

BTW, the decision to go with Conducent was made without my knowledge. I was
strongly opposed to the Radiate technology and refused to run any software
with it. Maybe they though I would strongly oppose the Conducent
technology, too, and decided to keep me out of the loop. Their business
model depended on advertising revenue, and maybe they didn't want to risk
the chair of the USCF Internet/Computer Committee coming out in opposition
to the Conducent technology, too.

I think a bigger problem for USCL in its beginning was releasing the
software (over my objections) without an automated registration system
(something that finally was added about a year later), and without
sufficient, adequately trained support volunteer administrators. I think
this caused a big labor problem for the USCF office and diverted their staff
away from much more important work IMO.

Best regards,

George John

"George John" It has often been highly proprietary and confidential in
nature.

Sounds like a load of bull****. So how did you lose One Million Dollars of
USCF money? Why aren't you in prison?? What reason do you have for returning
to the USCF? Are you interested in stealing the money that is left?? Are you
incompetent?? Why are you back??

Hui Neng wrote:
"George John" It has often been highly proprietary and confidential
in
nature.

Sounds like a load of bull****. So how did you lose One Million
Dollars of
USCF money? Why aren't you in prison?? What reason do you have for
returning
to the USCF? Are you interested in stealing the money that is left??
Are you
incompetent?? Why are you back??

Neng,

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You meet the nicest people on this newsgroup.

ugh


--
Tom Klem

"There are two kinds of people, those who do the work and those who take the
credit. Try to be in the first group; there is less competition there."
---Indira Gandhi


"Hui Neng" wrote in message
.. .
"George John" It has often been highly proprietary and confidential in
nature.

Sounds like a load of bull****. So how did you lose One Million Dollars of
USCF money? Why aren't you in prison?? What reason do you have for
returning
to the USCF? Are you interested in stealing the money that is left?? Are
you
incompetent?? Why are you back??

"Rob" You have been TOS'ed:

I guess not, dickless piece of trash.

Hui Neng wrote:
"Rob" You have been TOS'ed:

I guess not, dickless piece of trash.

Better watch out. Your mommy is going to take away your computer and
put you to bed in dirty diapers baby boy. You have such a potty
mouth.Use of profanity is a strong indication of a poor vocabulary and
a weak intellect. Care to prove my point further?

"Rob" Care to prove my point further?


Why don't you answer the question? Why are you sniffing around the USCF? Why
do you have so much information about Crossville?? What is your stake in all
of this??

Rob wrote:
Use of profanity is a strong indication of a poor vocabulary and
a weak intellect. Care to prove my point further?

Rob, guess which of your rgcp friends wrote the following?

"I must remind any reader here that the person who writes this
describes
himself as an 'historian', but one who has apparently read ****-all."

"But still you **** with the subject, lol!!"

"Louis, this is boring beyond tears. I have wondered why you agitate on
the
unbidden behest of others, without the slightest attempt to even
identify
what the **** you are now objecting to"

"You are the mother****er who has continously excited these events,"

"And if you **** with me and mine I will certainly make entirely sure
you
understand me without a shadow of a doubt."

"Will your sub-personality xganon-**** show up..."

"**** your condolences."

"if you cant write your own name to your posts why dont you **** off?"

"...**** that for a game of charlies!"

"Mala fides, malignum spernere vulgus!
(Bad faith and **** the people)"

"Neither of these people seem to me to be hyphenable-**** to me."

"If you want to **** with me lets sort it out. Come on... Lets do it.
Where
do you both live?"

"So interest from Americans has to go around, even avoid USCF [because
they
will **** it up],"
"'****' Sam, why be coy when talking of freudian sluts"

"**** him! "

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you were not dabbling with computers) qualify you to be on the USCF
Executive Biard?

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