SIZE MATTERS

Over a month ago, I dropped the bombshell that
the cost of the small new building in Cross-to-Bear
would exceed the selling price of the building in New
Windsor, which was more than twice the size.

I was the first to mention the numeral "6" as
in $650,000 or more for the new buiding in the middle
of nowhere. Stan Booz, if I understand the matter
rightly below, has now also provided us with that "6" numeral.

Let us keep in mind that just a few weeks ago,
George John and others were going on about a building
costing possibly less, if memory serves, than $400,000
as they were doing their research in square footage costs.

Now, Mr. John takes the latest officially
admitted figure and doesn't bat a bat's lash. It is
still fine and dandy. The real number will be likely
in the, ah, "7" range. But don't worry: we will be
hearing about the leaky old building and that famous
non-existent parking problem. What a hoot that was!

The truth is that the building in New Windsor
was functional and would not have required anything
like the repairs suggested, which is the latest excuse
for moving. I worked in the that office, in the
basement of the building, and developed bursitis
in the shoulders because of poor heating, but the
mission got done. Others also suffered, but the work
got done and the Federation thrived in relative terms
for several years.

Much of that building could have been rented
out, and one day, when the Federation rebounds, it
could have been filled up with employees. As matters
stand, there is a coming bill for $650,000 or
significantly more for a small new building that will
be supplemented by a further bill for a second
structure or additions to the new building at a future
date. I would add that George John's assumption that
the Federation actually received $515,000 for the
large old building remains unclear. It is possible
the figure is significantly less.

Sam Sloan is not far wrong to write that this
will turn out to be a near-million buck move, though
not for the reasons he gave.


"George John"

In Crossville they are out $85,000 ($600,000 - $515,000)
That's a net of $15,000.

Except that Crossville is the armpit of Uranus, and that 3 acres of
land there is worth less than a phone booth in New York. Paying $500.
in rent for 2500 square feet is not much of a bargain considering that
Crossville might as well be called Loserville and the rents in such a
small town in the middle of nowhere are very subjective and certainly
not even 1/10 as much as rent in New York or any major metropolitan
area. -- Hank Webber

wrote:

Larry,

[SNIP]

Now, Mr. John takes the latest officially
admitted figure and doesn't bat a bat's lash.

Don Schultz already gave what I thought were reasonable explinations
for the higher cost:

1) It is a single story building (the calculator estimated for 1-3)
2) The building is designed to allow for a second story expansion.

Since I was using an online calculator, which was using Knoxville and
not Crossville (it didn't have a Crossville option), I realized there
was *uncertainty* about the estimate. That is why I asked the readers
of their newsgroup, who might have knowledge about building costs, to
add their input. It was a *starting* place for the discussion, and
*not* meant to be a reliable estimate of what the true costs might be.

[SNIP]

I worked in the that office, in the
basement of the building, and developed bursitis
in the shoulders because of poor heating, but the
mission got done. Others also suffered, but the work
got done and the Federation thrived in relative terms
for several years.

Readers, please make note of the above! Consider the benefits to the
USCF office staff working in a new building which doesn't have these
issues versus what Larry has just described about the New Windsor
facility.

[SNIP]

I would add that George John's assumption that
the Federation actually received $515,000 for the
large old building remains unclear. It is possible
the figure is significantly less.

This is the figure which has been consistantly reported, and has never
been questioned, SFAIK, except by you. If it is not $515K, I recommend
that an accurate figure be reported ASAP.

[SNIP]

Best regards,

George John

"Frank Seavers" wrote in message
. ..

"StanB" $600,000 less 515,000 received for the old building and a
100,000
saved on renovations for the old building.

Hey dumbass, the sales price of the building took into account that it
needed $100K in repairs. So the repairs cannot be factored in twice as
some
kind of positive, you idiot.

No Dumbass, 515,000 is what we got and the extra 100,000 is what we didn't
have to spend.
Stick to selling timeshares.

does not take into account the savings to be realized by lower operating
costs over the coming years.

Good fiscal management does not require a Psychic in order to show
results.
Any plan that sold off all of the USCF's assets and has nothing but a
construction plan to show for it is Bad Management.

Charlie we have the 515,000. Anyway, what a two-bit hustler like you know
about it ?