On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 06:01:51 GMT, (Sam Sloan)
wrote:

On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 05:23:09 GMT, "John J."
wrote:

You beat Walter Browne? Awsome !! What were your ratings back then? Do you
have a copy of the game?

John

Su

[Event "American Open"]
[Site "Santa Monica (USA)"]
[Date "1967.11.26"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Sloan,Sam"]
[Black "Browne,Walter S (USA)"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B31"]

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 g6 4.O-O Bg7 5.c3 Nf6 6.Re1 O-O 7.d4
cxd4 8.cxd4 d5 9.e5 Ne4 10.Nc3 Nxc3 11.bxc3 Qa5 12.Bf1 Bg4
13.Qd3 Bxf3 14.gxf3 e6 15.Bh3 Rfc8 16.Be3 Qa3 17.Bf1 Na5
18.Qb5 a6 19.Qb4 Rxc3 20.Qxa3 Rxa3 21.Rec1 b5 22.Rc5 Bf8
23.Rc7 Nc4 24.Bxc4 dxc4 25.h4 Rc3 26.h5 b4 27.hxg6 hxg6
28.Kg2 a5 29.d5 Bg7 30.dxe6 fxe6 31.Rh1 Rc2 32.Rb7 Rxa2
33.Bg5 Rf8 34.Bf6 Rxf6 35.exf6 Bxf6 36.Rb8+ Kg7 37.Rb7+ Be7
38.Rxe7+ Kf6 39.Rhh7 Ke5 40.f4+ Kd6 41.Rc7 Kd5 42.Rhd7+ Ke4
43.Rxc4+ Kf5 44.Rf7+ Kg4 45.f5+ Kg5 46.fxe6 Re2 47.e7 b3
48.e8=Q Rxe8 49.Rb7 1-0


He was rated 2475. I was rated about 2100. I had a bad position for
most of the game but I found a way to force a draw. He did not want a
draw and sacrificed an exchange to try to force a win. He failed to
see 41. Rc7 threatening mate and so the game was over.

Sam Sloan

At about move 20 your position is lost, and one might think that your
opponent then proceeded to fall asleep. However, this is not what
happened. Browne told me the next day that he was paid $1200 to let
you win. And who do you think paid him? (Hint: it wasn't our Hero
Sloan - 1200 was much more than he ever had at one time in those
days.)

i would'nt let my opponent win even if i was paid a million dollars. Its not
for money that i play the game, its for respect and intregrity for the game.
So hence, Browne is more of a coward than Sloan is!!!




"Jürgen R." wrote in message
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On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 06:01:51 GMT, (Sam Sloan)
wrote:

On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 05:23:09 GMT, "John J."
wrote:

You beat Walter Browne? Awsome !! What were your ratings back then? Do
you
have a copy of the game?

John

Su

[Event "American Open"]
[Site "Santa Monica (USA)"]
[Date "1967.11.26"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Sloan,Sam"]
[Black "Browne,Walter S (USA)"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B31"]

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 g6 4.O-O Bg7 5.c3 Nf6 6.Re1 O-O 7.d4
cxd4 8.cxd4 d5 9.e5 Ne4 10.Nc3 Nxc3 11.bxc3 Qa5 12.Bf1 Bg4
13.Qd3 Bxf3 14.gxf3 e6 15.Bh3 Rfc8 16.Be3 Qa3 17.Bf1 Na5
18.Qb5 a6 19.Qb4 Rxc3 20.Qxa3 Rxa3 21.Rec1 b5 22.Rc5 Bf8
23.Rc7 Nc4 24.Bxc4 dxc4 25.h4 Rc3 26.h5 b4 27.hxg6 hxg6
28.Kg2 a5 29.d5 Bg7 30.dxe6 fxe6 31.Rh1 Rc2 32.Rb7 Rxa2
33.Bg5 Rf8 34.Bf6 Rxf6 35.exf6 Bxf6 36.Rb8+ Kg7 37.Rb7+ Be7
38.Rxe7+ Kf6 39.Rhh7 Ke5 40.f4+ Kd6 41.Rc7 Kd5 42.Rhd7+ Ke4
43.Rxc4+ Kf5 44.Rf7+ Kg4 45.f5+ Kg5 46.fxe6 Re2 47.e7 b3
48.e8=Q Rxe8 49.Rb7 1-0


He was rated 2475. I was rated about 2100. I had a bad position for
most of the game but I found a way to force a draw. He did not want a
draw and sacrificed an exchange to try to force a win. He failed to
see 41. Rc7 threatening mate and so the game was over.

Sam Sloan

At about move 20 your position is lost, and one might think that your
opponent then proceeded to fall asleep. However, this is not what
happened. Browne told me the next day that he was paid $1200 to let
you win. And who do you think paid him? (Hint: it wasn't our Hero
Sloan - 1200 was much more than he ever had at one time in those
days.)

On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 14:53:21 GMT, "John J."
wrote:

Sam, I think you're wrong. I just searched the online Chessbase and there
are about 70 published games of the Benko Gambit before 1967. The first one
was way back in 1936.

John

I believe that all those games are transpositions, and not really
Benko Gambits.

However, there is one game that is mentioned as having been played
before Benko played it. That is Szabo-Lundin. I cannot find it in my
database but as I recall Lundin misplayed it so badly that it is not
regarded as a Benko Gambit.

Sam Sloan

Sam Sloan wrote:
On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 14:53:21 GMT, "John J."
wrote:
Sam, I think you're wrong. I just searched the online Chessbase and
there
are about 70 published games of the Benko Gambit before 1967. The
first one
was way back in 1936.

I believe that all those games are transpositions, and not really
Benko Gambits.

Another false Sloan belief. The great majority of the pre-1967 games
mentioned begin exactly as Sloan specified, 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 b5.
Sam, do you ever actually check to make sure something is true before
believing it?
For further comment, see my post further on in this thread, under the
"Busting Sloan's Claims" heading.

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At 10:32 AM 4/29/2005 -0600, Brian Wall wrote:

snip
You can check all the databases. There is no game with the opening
moves 1. d5 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. d5 b5 in any database anywhere, prior to
when Benko started playing it.

My database, which came with Chessbase 9, gives over 50 such games that
were played prior to 1967. Many of these were played by well known players
(eg


I don't think you found any games starting with d5 :-)

On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 02:53:48 GMT, (Sam Sloan)
wrote:

deletions
Actually, I watched the first game with the Benko Gambit as it was
played. The game was Laver-Benko, American Open, Santa Monica 1967.
That is the first game in Benko's book, but he gives the wrong year,
1968. I know it was 1967 because I was there. That was the same
tournament where I beat Walter Browne.


Others have already cited the pre-1967 "Benko Gambit" games. I just
wanted to point out that Benko himself played his first game with the
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 b5 move order against Milan Vukic in round one
of the Sarejevo 1967 tournament. That was on March 4, 1967; in other
words, several months before the American Open.

Great player; great opening. The other stuff is fairly trivial.

Cheers,
Dan

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At 10:32 AM 4/29/2005 -0600, Brian Wall wrote:

snip
You can check all the databases. There is no game with the opening
moves 1. d5 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. d5 b5 in any database anywhere, prior to
when Benko started playing it.

My database, which came with Chessbase 9, gives over 50 such games that
were played prior to 1967. Many of these were played by well known
players (eg


I don't think you found any games starting with d5 :-)


Come to think of it, you're right. Perhaps I need a bigger database :-)

At 12:24 PM 5/1/2005 -0700, Tim Sawyer wrote:

Take for example the Exchange Ruy Lopez called the
Fischer Variation 5.0-0. That was played many times in
the 1800s right up until the present day. In fact
several famous players played this as White: Paulsen,
Chigorin, Winawer, Lasker, Albin and Tarrasch along
with many many non-so-famous. Even Sam Sloan played
this fairly early. Yet Bobby Fischer showed it's real
value in ways few understood at that time. Fischer
deserves the name.


It is amazing that you know this. Do you remember this from that time
(I knew you back then) or do I have a game posted somewhere with this
line?

I played this line in a game against Mario Campos Lopez in 1964 in
Mexico City. I lost.

I also played it against Alan Borke in a tournament at the Mechanics
Institute Chess Club in 1965. I lost again.

So, I gave it up.

I do not know when Fischer started playing it.

Sam Sloan

At 11:07 AM 5/3/2005 -0400, Jim Roe wrote:

--- Tim Sawyer wrote:
---------------------------------
--- Sam Sloan wrote:
At 12:24 PM 5/1/2005 -0700, Tim Sawyer wrote:
Take for example the Exchange Ruy Lopez...
Even Sam Sloan played this fairly early.

I also played it against Alan Borke in a tournament
at the Mechanics
Institute Chess Club in 1965. I lost again.

This is the game that is in my database, although it
is listed as "Bourke" in 1966. I have about 500 of
your games, which is obviously just a small number.

Thank you very much for this news. About ten years ago I put all my
old game scores into PGN format and submitted them to the University
of Pittsburgh database.

However, I had big missing gaps. I had no scoresheets at all from
betwen Mid-1963 to Mid-1968. The only games I still have from that
period were games that were published in magazines. This was my most
active period. I played 120 rated games in 1964 alone.

Could you please leek at your database to see if you have any more
games played by me from 1964 to 1967 ? Please note there are three
other Sloans who play chess. There are two Tom Sloans, one in
Michigan, one in North Carolina. There is also one in Australia.
Fantastic coincidence: All four of us are about the same strength.

I still remember the Bourke Game. He checkmated me in the opening in
spectacular fashion. Could you please send me the game, as I do not
have it?

Yes. I played the 5. O-O line before Fischer did. That goes 1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Bxc6 dxc6 5. O-O . However, that was because I
read analysis of it in a Dutch publication called Chess Archives.
Chess Archives also published analysis of the Poison Pawn Variation of
the Sicilian Defense which Bobby Fischer famously busted in a famous
games against Rudolph Teschner. Chess Archives stopped publication
shortly after that.

Sam Sloan

At 07:24 AM 5/10/2005 -0700, Vladyslav Kosulin wrote:
Sam,
You are going to far, IMHO.
Benko gambit is 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. d5 b5, IMHO.
4.cxb5 (the main line), 4.Nf3, 4.Nd2, 4.a4 are all Benko Gambit.


It so happens that I have a book in my hand on the Blumenfeld Gambit
by Malcolm Pein. (Funny coincidence because we are debating Malcolm
Pein in another context).

Malcolm Pein defines the Blumenfeld Gambit as beginning with the
moves:

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 c5 4. d5 b5 5. dxe6 fxe6 6. cxb5 , as in
Tarrasch-Alekhine, Pistyan, 1922

Alekhine won the game in fine and convincing style and ever since
almost nobody has taken the gambit pawn.

Now, what you are saying is that there is no such thing as the
Blumenfeld Gambit because the same final position can be reached by
the moves: 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. d5 b5 4. cxb5 e6 5. dxe6 fxe6 6. Nf3

Is that correct?

Sam Sloan

PS I tried to look up your rating. I was going to be embarassed if you
turned out to be a grandmaster. I cannot find a rating for you. Do you
have one?