Sam Sloan wrote:

You say that you are a chess player but, funny thing, nobody here has
ever heard of you.

The degree to which you see yourself placed in the center of the chess
world, is really astonishing. There are about 100000 chess players alone
in the German Chess Federation, and I think aobut 80000 in the USCF, I
would guess some million tournament players around the world. Of how
many of them have you ever heard of?

And you are wrong. Tom Dorsch probably is one of the best known chess
personalities in the world. Foir starters every regular reader of this
group has heard of him.

This group (or these groups, as this is a cross posting) is just a tiny
fraction of the chess world. How many read these groups more or less
regularly? A few hundreds maybe.

And, until Topolov won the tournament in
Argentina a few weeks ago, more people probably had heard of Dorsch
than had heard of Topolov.

This is rubbish. Maybe you didn't know him (and just for the records:
this man is called Topalov). Veselin Topalov has been one of the
strongest players in the world since the late 90s. He is well known and
admired for his spectacular chess and has won some first class
tournaments in the past. A few month before the world championship, he
won Linares together with Kasparov, whom he has beaten in the last
round. He was the defeated side in one of the most famous, most
discussed and most analysed games of chess of the last 10 years (his
game 1999 in Wijk aan Zee against Kasparov). If you picked up a chess
magazine somewhere on this planet in the last 10 years, you very likely
have read his name. He didn't go to the tournament in Argentina as an
outsider, but together with Anand as one of the top favorites. And his
performance there, especially in the first half of this tournament,
already entered the realms of chess history.

What has Tom Dorsch achieved to be known in England, Germany, France or
Russia?

That you regard some local chess politician as more important than one
of the strongest players of our days, tells more about your view on the
world, than the actual importance of these people. Do you think, that
many participants of these groups happen to know the name of the last
treasurer of the German Chess Federation? Or of the British Chess
Federation? Or the Russion Chess Federation? They don't know? They don't
care? So, why should anybody care who Tom Dorsch is?

As can be seen, Tom Dorsch qualifies under several of these criterea.
Incidentally, I was asked by several people to write his biography and
I resisted doing so for a long time. But now that I have done it, I
think that just about everybody here with the exception of yourself
will agree that Tom Dorsch easily meets the standard.

Well, maybe there is a place for him in Wikipedia. But certainly not
such a bunch of silly personal trivia you have put into it.

Greetings,
Ralf

That shows how stupid you are Ralf. I'm more famous than Ilyumzhinov. I
****ed more virgins than him too. Dorsch is more famous than Topalov.
Goichberg is more famous than Bessel Kok. Are you doubting me? My
criminal records proves that I'm the most qualified person in chess.

Sam Sloan

On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 13:22:24 +0100, Ralf Callenberg
wrote:

Sam Sloan wrote:

You say that you are a chess player but, funny thing, nobody here has
ever heard of you.

The degree to which you see yourself placed in the center of the chess
world, is really astonishing. There are about 100000 chess players alone
in the German Chess Federation, and I think aobut 80000 in the USCF, I
would guess some million tournament players around the world. Of how
many of them have you ever heard of?

And you are wrong. Tom Dorsch probably is one of the best known chess
personalities in the world. Foir starters every regular reader of this
group has heard of him.

This group (or these groups, as this is a cross posting) is just a tiny
fraction of the chess world. How many read these groups more or less
regularly? A few hundreds maybe.

And, until Topolov won the tournament in
Argentina a few weeks ago, more people probably had heard of Dorsch
than had heard of Topolov.

This is rubbish. Maybe you didn't know him (and just for the records:
this man is called Topalov). Veselin Topalov has been one of the
strongest players in the world since the late 90s. He is well known and
admired for his spectacular chess and has won some first class
tournaments in the past. A few month before the world championship, he
won Linares together with Kasparov, whom he has beaten in the last
round. He was the defeated side in one of the most famous, most
discussed and most analysed games of chess of the last 10 years (his
game 1999 in Wijk aan Zee against Kasparov). If you picked up a chess
magazine somewhere on this planet in the last 10 years, you very likely
have read his name. He didn't go to the tournament in Argentina as an
outsider, but together with Anand as one of the top favorites. And his
performance there, especially in the first half of this tournament,
already entered the realms of chess history.

What has Tom Dorsch achieved to be known in England, Germany, France or
Russia?

That you regard some local chess politician as more important than one
of the strongest players of our days, tells more about your view on the
world, than the actual importance of these people. Do you think, that
many participants of these groups happen to know the name of the last
treasurer of the German Chess Federation? Or of the British Chess
Federation? Or the Russion Chess Federation? They don't know? They don't
care? So, why should anybody care who Tom Dorsch is?

As can be seen, Tom Dorsch qualifies under several of these criterea.
Incidentally, I was asked by several people to write his biography and
I resisted doing so for a long time. But now that I have done it, I
think that just about everybody here with the exception of yourself
will agree that Tom Dorsch easily meets the standard.

Well, maybe there is a place for him in Wikipedia. But certainly not
such a bunch of silly personal trivia you have put into it.

Greetings,
Ralf

You obviously do not know whom you are addressing. I personally know
Mr. Topalov. I met him at the 2000 World Chess Olympiad in Istanbul. I
personally know the President of the British Chess Federation. I
personally know the President of the German Chess Federation. I
personally knew the President of the Russian Chess Federation. I meet
them at FIDE Congresses and Olympiads which I attend. If you ask any
of these people about me, they will tell you that they know me and
will tell you something about me.

One person who I do not know however is Ralf Callenberg ("Rook Wave").
You say that there are a million tournament chess players in the world
and you might be one of the million. You feel that this gives you the
right to delete my biography of Tom Dorsch. I feel that you do not
have that right. My articles have been published in chess magazines
around the world. Everybody has heard of me. Nobody has heard of you.

I am not attacking Tom Dorsch. Actually, I am defending Tom Dorsch. If
you want to make a contribution, write your own article, but do not
vandalize, delete or erase mine.

Sam Sloan

Yes, I am defending Tom Dorsch in my ****ing twisted mind. Haven't you
ever heard of the expression: "Who needs enemies if you have friends
like me?" I already succeeded in getting your petty attention if you
read my posts. I know all these people but I can assure you that none
of them know me. They all thought I was a beggar from the street.
That's why they called security. Now go away you German twerp.

Sam Sloan

Sam Sloan wrote:


You obviously do not know whom you are addressing.

Hey man, I even know, that you have proven with a DNA test, that you are
the father of your daughter! You are an internet-exhibitionist who finds
himself so immensively important, that he is telling the world about all
the details of his life, so it's not difficult to find out, whom I am
adressing. And I have to say: I am not overly impressed, sorry.

I personally know
Mr. Topalov. I met him at the 2000 World Chess Olympiad in Istanbul.

Then you might learn to spell his name.

I
personally know the President of the British Chess Federation. I
personally know the President of the German Chess Federation. I
personally knew the President of the Russian Chess Federation. I meet
them at FIDE Congresses and Olympiads which I attend. If you ask any
of these people about me, they will tell you that they know me and
will tell you something about me.

Maybe. But I didn't ask whether you know those people, I asked if you
think that the readers of this group know the treasures of those
federations. Or are all of the readers always together with you at the
FIDE congresses and Chess Olympiades? That you are overly fascinated by
chess politics is obvious. But if you think, that many players share
this fetish, you are wrong.

One person who I do not know however is Ralf Callenberg ("Rook Wave").
You say that there are a million tournament chess players in the world
and you might be one of the million.

Yes, that's exactly what I said. I am a chess player. You doubted it
because you never heard of me. And this obviously has been a very silly
remark.

You feel that this gives you the
right to delete my biography of Tom Dorsch.

Yep. Absolutely. (Although to be precise, I didn't delete it, just
changed it.) Nobody has more or less rights to alter entries in
Wikipedia (except maybe administrators, they are a bit more equal than
the rest).

I feel that you do not
have that right.

Luckily, you are not the one to decide this. If you don't want your
articles changed - don't put them into Wikipedia.

My articles have been published in chess magazines
around the world. Everybody has heard of me.

No. I am afraid you are wrong here, too. You might have met some people,
you might have written some articles. But the average chess player on
this planet has not the faintest idea who you are, and he might not even
know, why he should care about you.

Nobody has heard of you.

Well, the one or other has. Not many, ok, but 'nobody' is definitely too
few.

I am not attacking Tom Dorsch. Actually, I am defending Tom Dorsch.

Strange idea of defending somebody, by putting the fact, he didn't pay
his rents in 1962 and wrote uncoverd cheques into an encyclopaedia. I
hope nobody ever gets the idea to defend me in a similar way!

So now, you still missed the opportunity to explain, why somebody should
know Tom Dorsch. You have spent some time now, explaining your own very
importance, and you spent a lot of words in the Wikipedia article about
all the personal specialities of Tom Dorsch. But everything the reader
of this article gets to know, is that Mr. Dorsch was the treasurer of
the USCF for a few years, that he was twice president of the
Californian chess association and that he played some college
tournaments in the 60s. Imagine a reader of this article: how could he
get by those spare information an idea of the fame of Mr. Dorsch around
the globe, which carried his name to every chess club from Sao Paolo to
Helsinki, so that you can go to any tournament in southern France, pick
a player and ask him: "Do you know Tom Dorsch?" and he might answer "Mai
oui! He ****ed around in Tijuana and didn't pay his rent to Sam Sloan,
THE Sam Sloan."

If
you want to make a contribution, write your own article, but do not
vandalize, delete or erase mine.

You simply didn't get the idea of Wikipedia. I made my contribution. I
removed all your silly personal rantings (which is more than 90% of the
article, but this was not my fault). And as you changed them back, I
informed Wikipedia so they might have a look at it, that's all. The rest
I leave to the poor administrator who is going to take care of your self
important rubbish.

Greetings,
Ralf

Why do you insult me? Why do you insult my sexual habit? Why do you
insult my intelligence? Why do you insult my logic?

It's not nice to insult a loser like me. You need to feel sorry for me.
After all, I'm just a loser in life. Everyone knows I lie for money.
Now you can put that it my Wikipedia profile.

Sam Sloan

(Sam Sloan) writes:
As can be seen, Tom Dorsch qualifies under several of these criterea.

Which ones?

Why don't more people speak up against this punk? Is it because everybody
approves of such juvenile behavior? Or do punks like this get their way
because everybody is afraid of ****ing them off?

wrote in message
oups.com...
That shows how stupid you are Ralf. I'm more famous than Ilyumzhinov. I
****ed more virgins than him too. Dorsch is more famous than Topalov.
Goichberg is more famous than Bessel Kok. Are you doubting me? My
criminal records proves that I'm the most qualified person in chess.

Sam Sloan

Jimbo wrote:

Why don't more people speak up against this punk? Is it because everybody
approves of such juvenile behavior? Or do punks like this get their way
because everybody is afraid of ****ing them off?

Boredom with life may be one of the
reasons. When it comes to a choice
between an exchange of ideas and an
exchange of insults, well, you know
what the "manly" thing to do is. Too
few real wars, too much testosterone,
too much frustration and so on...


wrote in message
oups.com...
That shows how stupid you are Ralf. I'm more famous than Ilyumzhinov. I
****ed more virgins than him too. Dorsch is more famous than Topalov.
Goichberg is more famous than Bessel Kok. Are you doubting me? My
criminal records proves that I'm the most qualified person in chess.

Sam Sloan


Regards,

Major Cat

Rook wave in Germany and somebody named JoanneB in the Netherlands
have this morning vandalized the entire Tom Dorsch article, removing
almost everything except that he was once a professional poker player.

Go take a look and please advise.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Dorsch

Sam Sloan