Does anybody know if the document at

http://bobby-fischer.net/I_Was_Tortu...Jailhouse.html

was authored by Bobby Fischer?

Tom




Sam Sloan wrote:
Bobby Fischer has been reinstated in the USCF

At a meeting of the USCF Executive Board in Chicago on Monday August
14, 2006, Bobby Fischer was reinstated as a member of the United
States Chess Federation.

The motion by new Executive Board Member Sam Sloan provided that
Executive Board motion EB 02-40, that had passed in 2002 by the
Objections Procedure without a formal vote by the board, was vacated
and reversed. Since that motion had expelled Bobby Fischer from
membership because of his statements on 9/11, this means that Fischer
is a USCF member again.

However, two board members expressed the view that Bobby Fischer has
renounced his membership. They were unable to produce any documents
establishing this and, unless such documents can be found, Bobby
Fischer is a member again.

The vote was passed by 4-1-2. Voting in favor were Sam Sloan, Bill
Goichberg, Beatriz Marinello and Robert Tanner. Joel Channing voted
against. Don Schultz and Randy Hough abstained.

Beatriz Marinello, speaking by speaker phone, made an especially
strong statement as to why Bobby Fischer should be reinstated.

At issue was EB 02-40, which was reported in the 2002 Delegates Call
but not in the minutes and which provided the following at
http://www.uschess.org/docs/pdf/15EBactionsvolex02.PDF

"The US Chess Federation informs Grandmaster Robert J. Fischer
that, because of his deplorable public remarks in support of terrorist
actions, his right to membership in the United States Chess Federation
is cancelled. The Interim Executive Director is asked to write to FIDE
and to the US Chess Trust about this action and about the public
remarks of Mr. Fischer, with a request that those organizations join
with the USCF in condemnation of these remarks." PASSED BY THE
OBJECTIONS PROCEDURE

Among the reasons I gave in support of my motion were that Fischer has
the right of Freedom of Speech, plus the Objections Procedure is
intended only for routine non-controversial motions and this motion
clearly was not one of those. Thus, the expulsion of Fischer was
improper. In addition, only two USCF members have ever been expelled.
The other was Norman T. Whitaker and he was reinstated shortly
thereafter.

Bill Goichberg pointed out that even mass murderers serving life
sentences in prison are allowed to be USCF members and to play rated
games and Fischer has never even been charged with a crime.

Beatriz Marinello strongly defended Fischer's right to Freedom of
Speech.

Joel Channing, speaking against the motion, stated that it would be
bad for the image of the USCF to have someone such as Mr. Fischer as a
member.

Don Schultz abstained, saying that he believes that Fischer has
renounced his membership, but is not sure.

The remarks by Don Schultz were apparently based on the transcript of
the third press conference, held on September 14, 1992 in Yugoslavia
during the 1992 Fischer Spassky Match in which Fischer famously
stated, among other things, "I would appreciate it if all of my fans
cancelled their subscriptions to their horrible magazine Chess Life -
I call it Chess Lies."

However, none of his statements at that press conference could
reasonably be considered to be a renunciation of his USCF membership.
In addition, it is doubtful whether statements made at a press
conference, particularly in a foreign country, are legally effective
and binding.

Bobby Fischer won a USCF life membership in a chess tournament in the
1950s. In addition, the delegates have passed motions making all US
grandmasters life members.

Therefore, Bobby Fischer is a life member again and should be given an
ID number with his named placed in the MSA, unless of course he writes
a letter renouncing or resigning his USCF membership or unless a
document is produced showing that he previously renounced his USCF
membership.

Sam Sloan

YES, IT IS AUTHENTIC

This 14 page pamphlet was published and copyrighted by
Bobby Fischer in 1982. He sold it for one dollar.

The signature on the last page is by Robert D. James
(professionally known as Robert J. Fischer or Bobby
Fischer, the World Chess Champion.)

wrote:
Does anybody know if the document at

http://bobby-fischer.net/I_Was_Tortu...Jailhouse.html

was authored by Bobby Fischer?

Tom




Sam Sloan wrote:
Bobby Fischer has been reinstated in the USCF

At a meeting of the USCF Executive Board in Chicago on Monday August
14, 2006, Bobby Fischer was reinstated as a member of the United
States Chess Federation.

The motion by new Executive Board Member Sam Sloan provided that
Executive Board motion EB 02-40, that had passed in 2002 by the
Objections Procedure without a formal vote by the board, was vacated
and reversed. Since that motion had expelled Bobby Fischer from
membership because of his statements on 9/11, this means that Fischer
is a USCF member again.

However, two board members expressed the view that Bobby Fischer has
renounced his membership. They were unable to produce any documents
establishing this and, unless such documents can be found, Bobby
Fischer is a member again.

The vote was passed by 4-1-2. Voting in favor were Sam Sloan, Bill
Goichberg, Beatriz Marinello and Robert Tanner. Joel Channing voted
against. Don Schultz and Randy Hough abstained.

Beatriz Marinello, speaking by speaker phone, made an especially
strong statement as to why Bobby Fischer should be reinstated.

At issue was EB 02-40, which was reported in the 2002 Delegates Call
but not in the minutes and which provided the following at
http://www.uschess.org/docs/pdf/15EBactionsvolex02.PDF

"The US Chess Federation informs Grandmaster Robert J. Fischer
that, because of his deplorable public remarks in support of terrorist
actions, his right to membership in the United States Chess Federation
is cancelled. The Interim Executive Director is asked to write to FIDE
and to the US Chess Trust about this action and about the public
remarks of Mr. Fischer, with a request that those organizations join
with the USCF in condemnation of these remarks." PASSED BY THE
OBJECTIONS PROCEDURE

Among the reasons I gave in support of my motion were that Fischer has
the right of Freedom of Speech, plus the Objections Procedure is
intended only for routine non-controversial motions and this motion
clearly was not one of those. Thus, the expulsion of Fischer was
improper. In addition, only two USCF members have ever been expelled.
The other was Norman T. Whitaker and he was reinstated shortly
thereafter.

Bill Goichberg pointed out that even mass murderers serving life
sentences in prison are allowed to be USCF members and to play rated
games and Fischer has never even been charged with a crime.

Beatriz Marinello strongly defended Fischer's right to Freedom of
Speech.

Joel Channing, speaking against the motion, stated that it would be
bad for the image of the USCF to have someone such as Mr. Fischer as a
member.

Don Schultz abstained, saying that he believes that Fischer has
renounced his membership, but is not sure.

The remarks by Don Schultz were apparently based on the transcript of
the third press conference, held on September 14, 1992 in Yugoslavia
during the 1992 Fischer Spassky Match in which Fischer famously
stated, among other things, "I would appreciate it if all of my fans
cancelled their subscriptions to their horrible magazine Chess Life -
I call it Chess Lies."

However, none of his statements at that press conference could
reasonably be considered to be a renunciation of his USCF membership.
In addition, it is doubtful whether statements made at a press
conference, particularly in a foreign country, are legally effective
and binding.

Bobby Fischer won a USCF life membership in a chess tournament in the
1950s. In addition, the delegates have passed motions making all US
grandmasters life members.

Therefore, Bobby Fischer is a life member again and should be given an
ID number with his named placed in the MSA, unless of course he writes
a letter renouncing or resigning his USCF membership or unless a
document is produced showing that he previously renounced his USCF
membership.

Sam Sloan

My hypothesis:

Bobby Fischer figures that if "we" the voters are assholes enough to
elect and re-elect candidates who are soft enough on police brutality
to let this **** happen, "we" don't deserve a Bobby Fischer in "our"
midst, and he owes no respect to "our" government.

I put the first-person pronouns in quotation marks because it is a
stereotype of the electorate, some of whom vote correctly but most of
whom do not.

He reported this crime to us, and "we" refused to follow up and bring
the cops to justice for their crimes.

Tom Alciere, smart person
http://ChessLinks.info





wrote:
YES, IT IS AUTHENTIC

This 14 page pamphlet was published and copyrighted by
Bobby Fischer in 1982. He sold it for one dollar.

The signature on the last page is by Robert D. James
(professionally known as Robert J. Fischer or Bobby
Fischer, the World Chess Champion.)

wrote:
Does anybody know if the document at

http://bobby-fischer.net/I_Was_Tortu...Jailhouse.html

was authored by Bobby Fischer?

Tom

or maybe he was flat out lying, or highly exaggerating what happened, and
their were no crimes to bring anybody to book for?



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My hypothesis:

Bobby Fischer figures that if "we" the voters are assholes enough to
elect and re-elect candidates who are soft enough on police brutality
to let this **** happen, "we" don't deserve a Bobby Fischer in "our"
midst, and he owes no respect to "our" government.

I put the first-person pronouns in quotation marks because it is a
stereotype of the electorate, some of whom vote correctly but most of
whom do not.

He reported this crime to us, and "we" refused to follow up and bring
the cops to justice for their crimes.

Tom Alciere, smart person
http://ChessLinks.info

"Someone" or maybe he was flat out lying, or highly exaggerating what
happened, and their were no crimes to bring anybody to book for?


Did he get raped in prison? Hard to believe that some little Asian dude in
Japan might have raped him while he was over there. Though I guess a bunch
of them might have gang-raped his ass. Maybe that is why he does not like to
play? His ass is still sore?? Maybe they used a broom-stick?

Someone wrote:
or maybe he was flat out lying, or highly exaggerating what happened, and
their were no crimes to bring anybody to book for?


Bobby Fischer, exagerate? No way! Those guys at the Passadena
jailhouse are as busted as the King's Gambit. Bobby's got them in
a virtual full Nelson, like when he played Bxh2!! against Spassky.
He showed them who was boss by refusing to reveal his identity, just
like on the gameshow, "I've got a secret". When he was done torturing
them, he let himself out and went back home. Unfortunately, when
writing the book Bobby got things a bit confused as to just who was
torturing who.

-- help bot

Someone wrote:
or maybe he was flat out lying, or highly exaggerating what happened, and
their were no crimes to bring anybody to book for?

You can call Bobby anything that you like. However, one of the things
that Bobby is NOT, is a liar. Nope, he was not lying.

This was the start of his hatred with the government. It intensified in
1999 when he blamed the government for not helping him get back his
stolen chess memorabilias and other priceless personal stuff.

The roberry of 1999 was the primary reason of the interviews. Then his
9/11 comments came and the rest is history. Although I cannot condone
his words, I can understand his reasons.

"LiamToo" This was the start of his hatred with the government. It
intensified in
1999 when he blamed the government for not helping him get back his
stolen chess memorabilias and other priceless personal stuff.


**** Bobby Fisher. He is a cocksucking piece of trash. He quit Chess instead
of defending his championship, and as far as I am concerned, he is a gutless
pussy. **** him, I am glad all his stuff was stolen. The Police probably
thought he was a gutless bitch too and refused to help him.

help bot wrote:
Bobby Fischer, exagerate? No way! Those guys at the Passadena
jailhouse are as busted as the King's Gambit. Bobby's got them in
a virtual full Nelson, like when he played Bxh2!! against Spassky.

That Bxh2!! was the most brilliant move that Fischer ever made. It was
even a draw after that but, it had to be done. It was simply a stroke
of genius. If Fischer were a poker player, he could have been a great
one too. As they sat down to play, Bobby saw poker tells from Spassky.
He saw fear.

What would a genius do to strenghten Spassky's confidence and make the
entire match interesting? Bxh2!! and then game 2.

LiamToo wrote:
That Bxh2!! was the most brilliant move that Fischer ever made. It was
even a draw after that but, it had to be done. It was simply a stroke
of genius.

As far as I know, this interpretation is unwarranted by the facts. I
believe the final verdict is that objectively, 29...Bxh2? was a bad
move, one that turned a theoretical draw into a loss. Extensive
analysis by Olafsson and Timman, on pages 38-40 of "Fischer World
Champion" (New In Chess, 2002) demonstrates this. That Spassky later
erred, playing 36.a4 instead of 36.Kg4, does not change 29...Bxh2? from
a bad move to good. The path to a draw allowed by 36.a4 was as narrow
as a wasp's waist, and Fischer failed to find it, playing 39...f5?
instead of 39...e5, and so ultimately he lost.

If Fischer were a poker player, he could have been a great
one too. As they sat down to play, Bobby saw poker tells from Spassky.
He saw fear.

Highly debatable. Fischer himself said "I don't believe in
psychology, I believe in strong moves."

What would a genius do to strenghten Spassky's confidence and make the
entire match interesting? Bxh2!! and then game 2.

I would instead tend to agree with Edmondson's assessment that,
psychologically speaking, it was 11...Nh5 in game 3 that beat Spassky,
if such a thing can be attributed to any single move.