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do not think it is workable, for several reasons: 1. The USCF already has trouble raising money for the USCF Championship tournament every year. Under your plan, there would have to be money raised for a qualifying tournament. There will be little interest by the general public in this qualifying tournament, and the players will not be especially interested either. You will have to pay the top players substantial appearance fees or guaranteed prizes to get them to play. Look at the letter Joel Benjamin had published in "New In Chess" magazine in which he complained bitterly that the prize fund in the US Championship in Stillwater, Oklahoma was "only" $65,000. 2. The USCF was formed on December 27, 1939 for the purpose of holding a US Championship tournament. Prior to that time, the championship had been a match between the champion and a challenger. The challenger had to raise the money for the match and there were few matches held. This plan was obviously not very successful and I think it would be a mistake to go back to it. 3. Several posters have written of a "media frenzy" when the US Championship is held in a small town. I have been to many US Championships. I do not recall a single one where there were more than ten spectators. You were at the 2007 US Championship in Stillwater. I think you were the only real spectator. Everybody else there was a player or was there on business. Did the local newspapers in Stillwater even cover it? I like to make jokes about Stillwater having the highest paid college football team in the country. You would imagine that there would have been some interest in a major chess tournament there. 4. A motion similar to yours was made by Don Schultz when I was on the board. The motion immediately got the votes of Don Schultz and Bill Goichberg. A third board member was thinking of voting for it until I shot it down with a letter to the board making many of the same points as above. As a result, the Schultz motion failed. The board then censured me for writing the letter. The letter and the board motion censuring me for writing it was posted on the USCF Website and it is attached here. http://www.samsloan.com/sloan-censured-by-board.pdf Will the board now censure anybody who disagrees with your idea? Sam Sloan |
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Glad to hear from you as you have been away for a while I believe. I understand that you have just had your 50th wedding anniversary. Congratulations, but I do have a question. It must cost a lot of money to have 50 wives and a wedding anniversary for each one. How can you afford it? I am glad that you pointed out the differences between you and Bill Goichberg. As you correctly point out, Bill always favors big Swisses, or Frankenswisses as Tom Dorsch used to call them. Bill is entitled to his opinion, but I strongly object to the way he organized the US Championship in Stillwater, deciding on the format and inviting the players that he wanted to invite without consulting the board or even telling us what he was doing. Then, we got blamed for all the problems he caused. Witness for example the article published by Joel Benjamin in "New in Chess" magazine in which he blamed me, Sam Sloan, of all people for all the problems with the US Championship when I (and for that matter you) were left out of it in the cold and had nothing to do with it. For example, Bill Goichberg decided that he wanted four women in the tournament, for what reason I do not know. When almost all of the top women declined, Bill just kept going down the list inviting lower and lower rated players. He finally found two experts, Iryna Zenyuk rated 2184 and Chouchanik Airapetian rated 2188, who were willing to play. Meanwhile, Ben Finegold, a legitimate contender for the US Championship and rated 2611, could not get an invitation. Regarding the benefits of a match over a tournament, I wish to remind you that in 1995, there was a title match between Kasparov and Anand for the World Chess Championship held in New York City's World Trade Center. In spite of being located in the media center of the world, this event received almost no publicity. However, I like your idea of a match between Nakamura and Kamsky. This would be exciting to me because they are by far our most promising players and each is a potential contender for the World Championship. However, I do not think it needs to be a match for the US Championship. Just a match between the two top players is enough. Remember that the most famous match ever played in the USA was the match between Fischer and Reshevsky and no title was at stake, only prize money. Sam Sloan |
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On Nov 8, 12:13 am, samsloan wrote:
Remember that the most famous match ever played in the USA was the match between Fischer and Reshevsky and no title was at stake, only prize money. Highly debatable. World Championship matches held on US soil have included Steinitz-Zukertort 1886, Steinitz-Gunsberg 1890-91, Lasker- Steinitz 1894, Lasker-Marshall 1907, Kasparov-Karpov 1990, and Kasparov-Anand 1995. It's not clear what Sloan means by "most famous," but I would think that at least some of these, perhaps all, were/are more famous than Fischer-Reshevsky, especially in terms of the attention they garnered from the chess world as a whole, as well as from the American public. |
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On Nov 8, 4:36 pm, Taylor Kingston wrote:
On Nov 8, 12:13 am, samsloan wrote: Remember that the most famous match ever played in the USA was the match between Fischer and Reshevsky and no title was at stake, only prize money. Highly debatable. World Championship matches held on US soil have included Steinitz-Zukertort 1886, Steinitz-Gunsberg 1890-91, Lasker- Steinitz 1894, Lasker-Marshall 1907, Kasparov-Karpov 1990, and Kasparov-Anand 1995. It's not clear what Sloan means by "most famous," but I would think that at least some of these, perhaps all, were/are more famous than Fischer-Reshevsky, especially in terms of the attention they garnered from the chess world as a whole, as well as from the American public. Sloan means 'most famous since 'real chess' was played, which started at my birth.' |
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Prior 2000 the US Championship was a 16 player Round Robin usually
held in New York City with a $25,000 prize fund. All the top players played. It was rare for a top player to turn down an invitation. Then in 2000 AF4C came in, made it into a Swiss with qualifying tournaments, mixed the men and women's championships and offered a $100,000 prize fund. In 2006, AF4C put up a record $250,000 prize fund and then was attacked by those such as Susan Polgar who complained on her blog that the prizes were "too small". In 2007, Frank Berry put up $50,000 of his own personal money and Joel Benjamin refused to play, citing the low prize fund. In say, go back to the traditional round robin. The Goichberg-style Big Swiss format is not working. Sam Sloan |
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samsloan wrote: Prior 2000 the US Championship was a 16 player Round Robin usually held in New York City with a $25,000 prize fund. All the top players played. It was rare for a top player to turn down an invitation. Then in 2000 AF4C came in, made it into a Swiss with qualifying tournaments, mixed the men and women's championships and offered a $100,000 prize fund. In 2006, AF4C put up a record $250,000 prize fund and then was attacked by those such as Susan Polgar who complained on her blog that the prizes were "too small". In 2007, Frank Berry put up $50,000 of his own personal money and Joel Benjamin refused to play, citing the low prize fund. In say, go back to the traditional round robin. The Goichberg-style Big Swiss format is not working. Sam Sloan Quote:
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Championship, a player rated 1672 got in, not because she beat somebody, but because she was the only woman willing to pay the $75 qualifier fee. In 2007, Bill Goichberg raised the bar slightly and the lowest rated player was a woman rated 2188. The reason that in past years the top players almost always accepted invitations to the US Championship was that there was prestige associated with being in the US Championship. Now, there is no longer any prestige. Anybody could have played in the 2007 US Championship merely by paying the $25,000 entry fee. Two players did buy their way into the 2007 US Championship. One paid $4,000. The other paid $5,000. Basically, our US Championship has been sold out just to increase the revenues of Bill Goichberg, who collects the entry fees of those seeking to qualify from his tournaments. Sam Sloan |
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Championship the same way he organized the World Open. At the World Open, Bill Goichberg decided the playing dates, the time control, the number of rounds, the entry fees, the prizes for each section, the special rules and in short everything about the tournament. He was able to do that because he owns the tournament. It is his personal property. I believe that he has a registered trade name for the tournament. That is fine and nobody will object because everybody knows that he owns the tournament. However, Bill Goichberg does not own the US Championship. The members do. Nevertheless, he ran the US Championship the same way that he runs the World Open, deciding whom to invite, who got in for free, who had to pay an entry fee and how much, the format of the event, the time control and everything else about the tournament. I was on the board at the time and neither I nor any other board member was ever consulted about these decisions. The first we heard about them was when we read them on the uschess.org website. However, everybody naturally assumes that these decisions were made by the board. As a result, when anything goes wrong, we get the blame. Witness for example, Joel Benjamin's letter published in "New In Chess" magazine in which he blames all the problems with the US Championship on me, Sam Sloan, when I had nothing to do with any of it. Sam Sloan |
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Frank Berry wrote:
This last paragraph below is total baloney because NONE of Goichberg's tourney will be used for qualification spots for the two 2008 FKB US Championships..... As usual Sam is wrong in his criticisms, postings and conclusions.? Very Wrong. Also GM Gulko?told me yesterday he VERY MUCH wanted to qualify to play in the FKB US Championship.? VERY MUCH.? Sam is wrong to say nobody wants to play in the event anymore.? Very Wrong again.... as usual. Frank K. Berry Dear Frank, Thank you for your comments and your update. Of course, I was referring to the 2007 US Championship, not the 2008 US Championship which has not even been announced yet. I am sure that you will do a better job and I hope you will be successful in keeping Bill Goichberg's intrusive fingers out of the event. Tell him to get a board resolution for any changes he tries to insist upon. Please try to invite Ben Finegold, who was unfairly excluded from the 2007 US Championship. Sam Sloan |
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Please try to invite Ben Finegold, who was unfairly excluded from the
2007 US Championship. Sam Sloan How about just using the invitational formula and sticking to it...rather than trying to play favorites? ECJ For a change I agree with Eric. In fact, so does A. Adorjan - several GMs have contributed questions to a current interview of Mickey Adams, and Adorjan asked very directly and succinctly [I paraphrase] if the top 100 players by rating in the world were all thrown together in a 13 round Swiss, do you think the top ratings would win? With an additional note that maybe the top 50 players in the world earn 95% of all prize money. It will be interesting to read Adams' reply. I wonder what would happen if a similar tournament was held in the USA? In terms of interest, there would be so many underdogs with good performances, it would make for good press. I do not agree with Eric that chess sponsorship is a philanthropic activity, only that it is usually so - and that is because, albeit USCF has a paid staff, money comes from media, and media savvy sux! Done right, just 1 hour of TV programming could fund the whole shebang. This is not a fling at USCF, but it is a notice that it is a sinking pool for ideas relating to sponsorship. If it could keep its [political] hands out of the till, no reason why it couldn't still affiliate itself with such a venture. Phil Innes Vermont |
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