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A funny game between GetClub & Jester.



 
 
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  #1  
Old February 8th 08, 03:11 PM posted to rec.games.chess.analysis, rec.games.chess.misc, alt.chess,rec.games.chess.computer, rec.games.chess.politics
Sanny
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Posts: 3,881
Default A funny game between GetClub & Jester.

I used to think Jester plays very good, But today in a game with
Beginner Level, It lost a winning game. It was ahead of a Rook but
still lost the game See and tell me if you see any mistake by GetClub
Beginner Level.

Today GetClub Game was much improved so you will find very good games
at GetClub Chess.

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Game Played between Jester and beginner at GetClub.com

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Jester: (White)
beginner: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...934&game=Chess
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White -- Black
(Jester) -- (beginner)

1. e2-e4{2} d7-d6{0}
2. d2-d4{6} Ng8-f6{0}
3. Nb1-c3{6} g7-g6{0}
4. Bc1-g5{6} c7-c6{10}
5. Bg5-f6{10} e7-f6{8}
6. Bf1-c4{10} b7-b5{6}
7. Bc4-d3{10} b5-b4{8}
8. Nc3-e2{10} Bc8-a6{10}
9. Bd3-a6{10} Nb8-a6{6}
10. Qd1-d3{8} Qd8-a5{6}
11. Qd3-c4{12} Qa5-b5{8}
12. Qc4-b5{10} c6-b5{6}
13. Ng1-f3{10} g6-g5{14}
14. Ke1-g1{12} Ra8-c8{6}
15. Ra1-c1{8} g5-g4{8}
16. Nf3-h4{10} h7-h5{10}
17. Nh4-f5{10} Rh8-g8{10}
18. Ne2-f4{12} Rg8-g5{6}
19. Nf4-d5{10} Rg5-g6{8}
20. f2-f3{12} Rc8-c6{6}
21. f3-g4{10} h5-g4{8}
22. Nf5-h4{10} Rg6-h6{6}
23. g2-g3{10} Rc6-c4{8}
24. Rf1-f4{10} Rc4-d4{8}
25. Nh4-f5{12} Rd4-d2{6}
26. Nf5-h6{12} Bf8-h6{8}
27. Nd5-f6{10} Ke8-d8{8}
28. Rf4-g4{10} Na6-c5{8}
29. Rc1-f1{10} Bh6-e3{8}
30. Kg1-h1{24} Be3-f2{6}
31. Rg4-g8{14} Kd8-c7{6}
32. Nf6-d5{8} Kc7-b7{8}
33. Rg8-f8{8} f7-f6{6}
34. Rf8-f6{10} Nc5-e4{6}
35. Rf6-f7{10} Kb7-a8{6}
36. Nd5-c7{10} Ka8-b7{16}
37. Rf7-e7{10} Kb7-c8{8}
38. Nc7-b5{10} Ne4-g5{8}
39. Nb5-a7{10} Kc8-b8{6}
40. Na7-c6{10} Kb8-c8{6}
41. Nc6-b4{10} Bf2-b6{8}
42. h2-h4{12} Bb6-d8{10}
43. Re7-e8{10} Ng5-h7{12}
44. Re8-h8{12} d6-d5{6}
45. Rh8-h7{10} d5-d4{8}
46. Nb4-c6{10} d4-d3{6}
47. Nc6-d8{10} d3-c2{8}
48. Rf1-c1{10} Rd2-d1{6}
49. Kh1-g2{10} Rd1-c1{10}
50. Nd8-e6{10} Rc1-g1{6}
51. Kg2-g1{12} Qc2-c1{Q}{10}
52. Kg1-g2{12} Qc1-c2{6}
53. Kg2-g1{10} Qc2-h7{6}
54. Kg1-f2{10} Qh7-c2{8}
55. Kf2-e3{10} Qc2-b2{6}
56. Ke3-f3{10} Qb2-b7{6}
57. Kf3-f4{12} Qb7-f7{12}
58. Kf4-e5{22} Qf7-f3{10}
59. Ne6-f4{10} Qf3-g3{12}
60. h4-h5{8} Qg3-g5{6}
61. Ke5-e4{10} Qg5-c5{12}
62. Ke4-f3{10} Qc5-g5{6}
63. Kf3-e4{10} Qg5-c5{16}
64. Ke4-f3{10} Qc5-c6{8}
65. Kf3-g4{10} Kc8-b8{6}
66. Kg4-g5{10} Qc6-c5{10}
67. Kg5-g4{10} Qc5-c8{6}
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Jester: (White)
beginner: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...934&game=Chess

So what do you think about this game was it won because of Jester
Mistake or it was won because of good moves by GetClub Beginner Level.

Do you find the moves much stronger than earlier or you still find
mistakes in the game of GetClub Beginner Level.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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  #2  
Old February 9th 08, 02:14 PM posted to rec.games.chess.analysis, rec.games.chess.misc, alt.chess,rec.games.chess.computer, rec.games.chess.politics
Sanny
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Default A funny game between GetClub & Jester.

Here is another game., Was there any way for the Beginner Level to
survive? Its pawn gets killed and it cvould do nothing.

Game Played between Jester and beginner at GetClub.com

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Jester: (White)
beginner: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...069&game=Chess
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

White -- Black
(Jester) -- (beginner)

1. e2-e4{2} c7-c6{0}
2. d2-d4{4} d7-d5{0}
3. e4-e5{4} Bc8-f5{0}
4. Nb1-c3{6} e7-e6{0}
5. g2-g4{6} Bf5-e4{6}
6. Nc3-e4{10} d5-e4{12}
7. c2-c3{10} Nb8-d7{6}
8. Bf1-g2{10} f7-f6{18}
9. Qd1-b3{10} f6-e5{6}
10. Qb3-b7{10} Qd8-c8{10}
11. Qb7-c8{10} Ra8-c8{12}
12. Ng1-e2{8} e5-d4{10}
13. Ne2-d4{8} Nd7-c5{6}
14. Ke1-g1{10} a7-a5{10}
15. h2-h3{10} e6-e5{8}
16. Nd4-b3{12} Ng8-f6{8}
17. Nb3-a5{10} Bf8-e7{10}
18. Na5-c4{10} Ke8-g8{22}
19. Bc1-g5{12} h7-h6{8}
20. Bg5-h4{10} g7-g5{22}
21. Bh4-g3{10} Nf6-d5{12}
22. Bg3-e5{10} Rf8-f7{22}
23. b2-b4{10} Nc5-a4{12}
24. Ra1-c1{12} Nd5-f4{10}
25. Be5-f4{10} Rf7-f4{12}
26. Nc4-d2{10} Na4-b6{6}
27. Nd2-e4{10} Nb6-d5{14}
28. a2-a4{118} Kg8-h8{22}
29. Ne4-g3{12} Rf4-f6{6}
30. Ng3-f5{16} Be7-d6{10}
31. Nf5-d6{10} Rf6-d6{16}
32. Rf1-d1{12} Rc8-d8{6}
33. a4-a5{10} Nd5-f4{12}
34. Rd1-d6{10} Rd8-d6{8}
35. Kg1-h2{10} Rd6-f6{6}
36. a5-a6{10} Kh8-h7{22}
37. Rc1-e1{10} Nf4-d5{22}
38. a6-a7{16} Rf6-f8{10}
39. b4-b5{10} Kh7-g7{6}
40. b5-c6{10} Nd5-f4{12}
41. Re1-b1{10} Kg7-g8{12}
42. Rb1-b8{10} Kg8-g7{16}
43. Rb8-f8{10} h6-h5{22}
44. Rf8-d8{10} Nf4-g2{22}
45. Kh2-g2{8} Kg7-h6{22}
46. Qa7-a8{Q}{10} Kh6-g6{8}
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Jester: (White)
beginner: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...069&game=Chess

Was there a way to save those pawns which got killed one after the
another?

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html



  #3  
Old February 11th 08, 09:56 AM posted to rec.games.chess.analysis, rec.games.chess.misc, alt.chess,rec.games.chess.computer
Martin Brown
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Default A funny game between GetClub & Jester.

On Feb 8, 3:11*pm, Sanny wrote:
I used to think Jester plays very good, But today in a game with
Beginner Level, It lost a winning game. It was ahead of a Rook but
still lost the game See and tell me if you see any mistake byGetClub
Beginner Level.

TodayGetClubGame was much improved so you will find very good games
atGetClubChess.

PlayChessat:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Game Played between Jester and beginner atGetClub.com

---------------------------------------------------------------------------*-----
Jester: (White)
beginner: (Black)
Game Played at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...934&game=Chess
---------------------------------------------------------------------------*-----

White -- Black
(Jester) -- (beginner)

1. e2-e4{2} d7-d6{0}
2. d2-d4{6} Ng8-f6{0}
3. Nb1-c3{6} g7-g6{0}
4. Bc1-g5{6} c7-c6{10}
5. Bg5-f6{10} e7-f6{8}
6. Bf1-c4{10} b7-b5{6}
7. Bc4-d3{10} b5-b4{8}
8. Nc3-e2{10} Bc8-a6{10}
9. Bd3-a6{10} Nb8-a6{6}
10. Qd1-d3{8} Qd8-a5{6}
11. Qd3-c4{12} Qa5-b5{8}
12. Qc4-b5{10} c6-b5{6}
13. Ng1-f3{10} g6-g5{14}
14. Ke1-g1{12} Ra8-c8{6}
15. Ra1-c1{8} g5-g4{8}
16. Nf3-h4{10} h7-h5{10}
17. Nh4-f5{10} Rh8-g8{10}


Jester made a mistake here. Kd7 would be OK

24. Rf1-f4{10} Rc4-d4{8}


Rf4 is a mistake. Lets black off the hook about 20th of 32 moves.
Nxf6+ or Ne3 Rfd1 b3 are all much much better.

32. Nf6-d5{8} Kc7-b7{8}


Looks to me like a spite check.

32. h5 is best. Needs a pawn can run detection.
(ie the enemy king cannot get to it in time and the enemy pieces will
struggle in the attempt)

37. Rf7-e7{10} Kb7-c8{8}


Kc8 is fatal now. More pawns fall.

So what do you think about this game was *it won because of Jester
Mistake or it was won because of good moves byGetClubBeginner Level.


Jesters mistake. Also it took way too many moves to finish Jester off.

Regards,
Martin Brown
  #4  
Old February 11th 08, 10:00 AM posted to rec.games.chess.analysis, rec.games.chess.misc, alt.chess,rec.games.chess.computer, rec.games.chess.politics
Martin Brown
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Default A funny game between GetClub & Jester.

On Feb 9, 2:14*pm, Sanny wrote:
Here is another game., Was there any way for the Beginner Level to
survive? Its pawn gets killed and it cvould do nothing.


It had a choice where to put the Bishop. It chose unwsely because it
lookahead was insufficient to see that the pawn used for recapture
will inevitably die.

White -- Black
(Jester) -- (beginner)

1. e2-e4{2} c7-c6{0}
2. d2-d4{4} d7-d5{0}
3. e4-e5{4} Bc8-f5{0}
4. Nb1-c3{6} e7-e6{0}
5. g2-g4{6} Bf5-e4{6}


5. .... Bg6 would be perfectly playable.

6. Nc3-e4{10} d5-e4{12}


Downhill all the way from here. White can pick this pawn off at his
leisure.

Regards,
Martin Brown
  #5  
Old February 11th 08, 03:11 PM posted to rec.games.chess.analysis, rec.games.chess.misc, alt.chess,rec.games.chess.computer, rec.games.chess.politics
Sanny
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Posts: 3,881
Default Analyze Game of Normal Level

Normal plays very good moves still it gave away its rook for Bishop.
Why I found Blacks Pwans was getting Killed Still giving Rook for
Bishop looks bad.

31. Nd3-c5{8} Ke8-f8{114} {Is This Wrong Move Black should Save its
Rook.}

Was Black loosing Two pawns That it has to give away its rook for
Bishop?

Game Played between bonsai and normal at GetClub.com

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
bonsai: (White)
normal: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...276&game=Chess
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

White -- Black
(bonsai) -- (normal)

1. d2-d4{2} Ng8-f6{0}
2. c2-c4{2} c7-c5{0}
3. d4-d5{2} b7-b5{0}
4. Ng1-f3{2} g7-g6{0}
5. Nf3-d2{4} b5-b4{102}
6. a2-a3{36} a7-a5{104}
7. a3-b4{72} c5-b4{100}
8. e2-e4{18} e7-e5{120}
9. Bf1-d3{26} d7-d6{92}
10. Nd2-b3{20} h7-h5{150}
11. Bc1-e3{24} Nf6-g4{130}
12. Be3-d2{26} Bc8-b7{100}
13. f2-f3{58} Ng4-f6{136}
14. Bd2-g5{20} Bf8-e7{190}
15. Bg5-e3{10} Nb8-d7{188}
16. Ke1-g1{22} h5-h4{116}
17. Qd1-e2{116} a5-a4{108}
18. Nb3-c1{10} Nd7-c5{124}
19. Nb1-d2{76} h4-h3{118}
20. g2-g4{30} Ra8-a5{108}
21. Be3-c5{64} d6-c5{182}
22. Bd3-c2{20} b4-b3{94}
23. Bc2-d1{24} Ra5-a6{126}
24. Nc1-d3{60} Be7-d6{158}
25. Nd2-b1{28} Nf6-d7{142}
26. Nb1-c3{12} Nd7-b6{84}
27. Qe2-f2{66} Qd8-h4{164}
28. Nc3-b5{44} Nb6-c4{130}
29. Nb5-d6{40} Nc4-d6{86}
30. Qf2-h4{44} Rh8-h4{176}
31. Nd3-c5{8} Ke8-f8{114} {Is This Wrong Move It should Save its
Rook.}
32. Nc5-a6{32} Bb7-a6{134}
33. Rf1-e1{4} Ba6-b5{90}
34. Bd1-e2{12} Bb5-e8{92}
35. Kg1-f2{20} g6-g5{104}
36. Kf2-g3{18} Nd6-b5{122}
37. Ra1-a4{48} Nb5-d4{90}
38. Ra4-a7{22} f7-f6{106}
39. Be2-c4{48} Be8-b5{100}
40. Bc4-b5{16} Nd4-b5{96}
41. Ra7-b7{6} Nb5-d6{86}
42. Rb7-b3{18} Nd6-e8{112}
43. Re1-a1{22} Rh4-h7{106}
44. Rb3-b8{26} Rh7-e7{186}
45. Ra1-a8{14} Kf8-f7{110}
46. Rb8-e8{10} Re7-e8{178}
47. Ra8-e8{28} Kf7-e8{104}
48. Kg3-h3{4} Ke8-d8{108}
49. Kh3-g3{30} Kd8-c7{94}
50. h2-h4{78} Kc7-b8{130}
51. h4-h5{10} f6-f5{86}
52. h5-h6{8} f5-e4{210}
53. f3-e4{16} Kb8-b7{130}
54. h6-h7{4} Kb7-a6{126}
55. Qh7-h8{Q}{8} Ka6-b5{156}
56. Qh8-c8{24} Kb5-b4{86}
57. d5-d6{10} Kb4-b3{140}
58. d6-d7{6} Kb3-c2{82}
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bonsai: (White)
normal: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...276&game=Chess

31. Nd3-c5{8} Ke8-f8{114} {Is This Wrong Move Black should Save its
Rook.} Was it a Forced Move or it was a mistake by Normal Level? Was
Black loosing the two pawns.

But still I find as the game proceed Black looses its pawns.

What do you think Black should have done to save its Pawns, I don't
Think giving Rook was a good move. But it was Normal Level who knows?

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
  #6  
Old February 11th 08, 06:11 PM posted to rec.games.chess.analysis,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,rec.games.chess.computer
Chess One[_2_]
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Default Analyze Game of Normal Level


"Sanny" wrote in message
...
Normal plays very good moves still it gave away its rook for Bishop.
Why I found Blacks Pwans was getting Killed Still giving Rook for
Bishop looks bad.

31. Nd3-c5{8} Ke8-f8{114} {Is This Wrong Move Black should Save its
Rook.}

Was Black loosing Two pawns That it has to give away its rook for
Bishop?

Game Played between bonsai and normal at GetClub.com

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
bonsai: (White)
normal: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game:
http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...276&game=Chess
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

White -- Black
(bonsai) -- (normal)

1. d2-d4{2} Ng8-f6{0}
2. c2-c4{2} c7-c5{0}
3. d4-d5{2} b7-b5{0}
4. Ng1-f3{2} g7-g6{0}
5. Nf3-d2{4} b5-b4{102}


first move out of the Benko book, and black goes wrong.

i assume 'nomal' level is here measured in seconds - or about 2 minutes a
move.

6. a2-a3{36} a7-a5{104}
7. a3-b4{72} c5-b4{100}
8. e2-e4{18} e7-e5{120}
9. Bf1-d3{26} d7-d6{92}
10. Nd2-b3{20} h7-h5{150}


then another 5 consecutive pawn moves, making 9 out of 10

11. Bc1-e3{24} Nf6-g4{130}
12. Be3-d2{26} Bc8-b7{100}
13. f2-f3{58} Ng4-f6{136}
14. Bd2-g5{20} Bf8-e7{190}
15. Bg5-e3{10}


well, white needs to develop his team, not dance around with the B - and
besides, he can eliminate the K-side defender with BxN, or even allow the
minor exchange at move 12

Nb8-d7{188}
16. Ke1-g1{22} h5-h4{116}
17. Qd1-e2{116} a5-a4{108}
18. Nb3-c1{10} Nd7-c5{124}
19. Nb1-d2{76} h4-h3{118}


bit hard to follow this in my head, with long-algebraic, but what is
indicated for white is a kingside attack, pawns an pieces

20. g2-g4{30} Ra8-a5{108}
21. Be3-c5{64} d6-c5{182}
22. Bd3-c2{20} b4-b3{94}
23. Bc2-d1{24} Ra5-a6{126}
24. Nc1-d3{60} Be7-d6{158}
25. Nd2-b1{28} Nf6-d7{142}
26. Nb1-c3


white does nor grasp the need to get after black's k side and spends 6 moves
going sideways to no advantage. 6 moves = 2 pawns!

{12} Nd7-b6{84}
27. Qe2-f2{66} Qd8-h4{164}
28. Nc3-b5{44} Nb6-c4{130}
29. Nb5-d6{40} Nc4-d6{86}
30. Qf2-h4{44} Rh8-h4{176}
31. Nd3-c5{8} Ke8-f8{114} {Is This Wrong Move It should Save its
Rook.}


I don't know, I can't follow this annotation very well, and don't like move
notations that don't indicate captures. to answer the questions below, black
saves its paws by not moving them unnecessarily in the opening. its merely
long-term procedure to overextend them, and unless black gains other
benefits from pawn moves, the game was over at 10, not 58

Phil Innes

32. Nc5-a6{32} Bb7-a6{134}
33. Rf1-e1{4} Ba6-b5{90}
34. Bd1-e2{12} Bb5-e8{92}
35. Kg1-f2{20} g6-g5{104}
36. Kf2-g3{18} Nd6-b5{122}
37. Ra1-a4{48} Nb5-d4{90}
38. Ra4-a7{22} f7-f6{106}
39. Be2-c4{48} Be8-b5{100}
40. Bc4-b5{16} Nd4-b5{96}
41. Ra7-b7{6} Nb5-d6{86}
42. Rb7-b3{18} Nd6-e8{112}
43. Re1-a1{22} Rh4-h7{106}
44. Rb3-b8{26} Rh7-e7{186}
45. Ra1-a8{14} Kf8-f7{110}
46. Rb8-e8{10} Re7-e8{178}
47. Ra8-e8{28} Kf7-e8{104}
48. Kg3-h3{4} Ke8-d8{108}
49. Kh3-g3{30} Kd8-c7{94}
50. h2-h4{78} Kc7-b8{130}
51. h4-h5{10} f6-f5{86}
52. h5-h6{8} f5-e4{210}
53. f3-e4{16} Kb8-b7{130}
54. h6-h7{4} Kb7-a6{126}
55. Qh7-h8{Q}{8} Ka6-b5{156}
56. Qh8-c8{24} Kb5-b4{86}
57. d5-d6{10} Kb4-b3{140}
58. d6-d7{6} Kb3-c2{82}
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bonsai: (White)
normal: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game:
http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...276&game=Chess

31. Nd3-c5{8} Ke8-f8{114} {Is This Wrong Move Black should Save its
Rook.} Was it a Forced Move or it was a mistake by Normal Level? Was
Black loosing the two pawns.

But still I find as the game proceed Black looses its pawns.

What do you think Black should have done to save its Pawns, I don't
Think giving Rook was a good move. But it was Normal Level who knows?

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html



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Old February 12th 08, 05:51 AM posted to rec.games.chess.analysis, rec.games.chess.misc, alt.chess,rec.games.chess.computer, rec.games.chess.politics
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Default A "funny" phenomenon at GetClub



Sanny wrote:

I used to think Jester plays very good, But today in a game with
Beginner Level, It lost a winning game.


Um, no, it did not. It's pretty obvious that "somebody"
intervened to stop the game when it became apparent
that the GetClub program was making zero headway.

That "somebody" seems to have unjustly forfeited the
Jester program, when it was doing just fine on the board
(see link below).


View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...934&game=Chess

So what do you think about this game was it won because of Jester
Mistake or it was won because of good moves by GetClub Beginner Level.


Neither one; the game was not completed, so
we will never know what the result would have
been had it been played out in accordance with
the rules of chess, and not halted prematurely.


Do you find the moves much stronger than earlier or you still find
mistakes in the game of GetClub Beginner Level.


In this game, Jester was winning but it tried to
win the Bishop on d8 and in the process, it let a
passed pawn get too far. (The Bishop could have
easily been won by pinning it with a Rook instead
of chasing it with the Knight, which was rather
busy defending a key pawn.)

In the final stage, the GetClub program seemed
unable to manage anything more than -- at best --
a perpetual check. In fact, there was still a chance
that Jester could have advanced its passed pawn
up the board and ultimately promoted it, then gone
on to *win* the game. Believe it or not, I've seen
that sort of thing done to 2100 players, so it's not
a stretch here.

The same old problem reared its ugly head once
mo the GetClub program refuses to activate its
King-- ever. A lone Queen cannot administer
checkmate except in unusual circumstances, so
by keeping its King "safe", the Beginner level in
effect throws away its material advantage in the
endgame. This is a *huge* weakness, even if the
opponent must somehow survive to an endgame
for it to manifest itself.

Here is an oversimplified solution: if the material
remaining on the board adds up to less than X
number of points, switch from a King-safety bonus
to a small penalty. Better yet, always give a
bonus in the scoring for *mobility*, including the
King, but offset this in the early part of the game.

In other words, in the endgame, a King which is
in a corner can only "attack" three squares, so
this will be penalized in comparison to a King in
the center of the board, which "attacks" eight
squares. I don't have a /simple/ solution to the
problem of when is it good versus when is it bad
to activate the King; that's a judgment call,
requiring enormous skill-- which is why I keep
winning and GC keeps losing. ;D


-- help bot




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Old February 12th 08, 07:30 AM posted to rec.games.chess.analysis, rec.games.chess.misc, alt.chess,rec.games.chess.computer
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Default Analyze Game of Normal Level

first move out of the Benko book, and black goes wrong.

i assume 'nomal' level is here measured in seconds - or about 2 minutes a
move.

6. a2-a3{36} a7-a5{104}
7. a3-b4{72} c5-b4{100}
8. e2-e4{18} e7-e5{120}
9. Bf1-d3{26} d7-d6{92}
10. Nd2-b3{20} h7-h5{150}


then another 5 consecutive pawn moves, making 9 out of 10


Yes, I found that there was something wrong with positional analysis
and it was playing pawns.unnecesarily. Now the Problem has been
corrected.

Can you tell me something about what are the good squares for White
Bishop and White Knights? And how much penalty should be given to a
King when it is moved without Chastling.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Old February 12th 08, 07:38 AM posted to rec.games.chess.analysis, rec.games.chess.misc, alt.chess,rec.games.chess.computer, rec.games.chess.politics
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Default A "funny" phenomenon at GetClub

On Feb 12, 10:51*am, help bot wrote:
Sanny wrote:
I used to think Jester plays very good, But today in a game with
Beginner Level, It lost a winning game.


* Um, no, it did not. *It's pretty obvious that "somebody"
intervened to stop the game when it became apparent
that theGetClubprogram was making zero headway.

* That "somebody" seems to have unjustly forfeited the
Jester program, when it was doing just fine on the board
(see link below).

View Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...934&game=Chess


So what do you think about this game was *it won because of Jester
Mistake or it was won because of good moves byGetClubBeginner Level.


*Neither one; the game was not completed, so
we will never know what the result would have
been had it been played out in accordance with
the rules ofchess, and not halted prematurely.


I do not complete the game as Much of it was over and It would have
taken 30-40 moves for GetClub to win. As it know nothing in end game.

The reasion it plays bad in End Game is That In end game you are not
getting any advantage of killing pieces So all moves are equal unless
it sees a Mate move.

But that wont stop me from developing end game. Butr let me first make
the Middle Game Perfect. Once it becomes perfect in Middle Game I
think End Game can be taught later. Most Often if the opponent is
loosing a game It will atleast save its pieces and force the opponent
to Resign.

After playing 10-20 Moves Opponent will understand It cannot win and
will Resign. Incase it has equal Material the Game will draw by Three
fold repetition.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Old February 12th 08, 09:47 AM posted to rec.games.chess.analysis, rec.games.chess.misc, alt.chess,rec.games.chess.computer
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Default A new Game

A new game between Jester and Beginner Level. Here again Beginner lost
badly was there a way to save its pawns?

Game Played between sanjay11 and beginner at GetClub.com

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jester: (White)
beginner: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...357&game=Chess
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

White -- Black
(Jester) -- (beginner)

1. e2-e4{4} e7-e6{0}
2. d2-d4{6} d7-d5{0}
3. e4-d5{6} e6-d5{0}
4. Bf1-d3{6} Ng8-f6{0}
5. Bc1-g5{12} Nb8-c6{8}
6. Qd1-e2{14} Bc8-e6{6}
7. Bd3-b5{18} Bf8-b4{10}
8. c2-c3{10} Bb4-d6{8}
9. Bb5-c6{10} b7-c6{6}
10. Qe2-a6{12} Qd8-c8{6}
11. Qa6-c8{24} Ra8-c8{6}
12. Bg5-f6{14} g7-f6{8}
13. Ng1-f3{10} c6-c5{8}
14. Nb1-d2{12} Rh8-g8{8}
15. g2-g3{16} Rg8-g6{8}
16. Ke1-c1{12} c5-c4{10}
17. Nf3-h4{10} Rg6-g7{8}
18. Rh1-e1{14} Bd6-e7{6}
19. f2-f4{10} f6-f5{6}
20. Nh4-f3{12} c7-c5{6}
21. Nd2-f1{14} Be7-f6{6}
22. Nf1-e3{12} Ke8-f8{6}
23. Kc1-c2{10} h7-h6{8}
24. Rd1-d2{10} Rg7-g6{8}
25. d4-c5{10} Rc8-c5{6}
26. Re1-d1{10} Rc5-b5{6}
27. Ne3-d5{12} Bf6-g7{8}
28. Nf3-h4{12} Rg6-g4{8}
29. Nd5-e3{12} Bg7-f6{6}
30. Ne3-g4{16} f5-g4{10}
31. Nh4-g2{10} Rb5-h5{8}
32. Ng2-e3{12} Rh5-b5{6}
33. Rd2-d6{12} Bf6-e7{6}
34. Rd6-a6{10} Rb5-h5{12}
35. Rd1-d2{14} Be7-c5{6}
36. Ra6-a5{12} Kf8-g7{10}
37. Kc2-d1{12} Kg7-h7{8}
38. Ne3-c4{10} Kh7-h8{8}
39. Nc4-e3{10} Be6-a2{8}
40. b2-b4{10} Ba2-b3{8}
41. Ne3-c2{12} f7-f6{6}
42. b4-c5{14} Bb3-g8{6}
43. Nc2-e3{14} f6-f5{8}
44. c5-c6{12} Rh5-h3{14}
45. Rd2-d8{38} Rh3-h2{10}
46. Kd1-e1{10} a7-a6{6}
47. c6-c7{10} Rh2-h1{8}
48. Ne3-f1{10} Kh8-g7{6}
49. Qc7-c8{Q}{12} Bg8-f7{6}
50. Qc8-f5{12} Bf7-c4{8}
51. Rd8-d7{8} Kg7-g8{6}
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jester : (White)
beginner: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...357&game=Chess

Here again Beginner lost badly was there a way to save its pawns? It
has to sac its rook for no reasion else its two pawns would get
killed. So it lost badly.

I think it played the opening badly, What do you say which were the
worst moves by GetClub Chess.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
 




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