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Manual of the Game of Chess by P.R. von Bilguer, 1880 Edition



 
 
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Old June 6th 08, 08:56 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.analysis,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess
Jürgen R.
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Default Manual of the Game of Chess by P.R. von Bilguer, 1880 Edition


[...]

If you look up my games on chessgames.com you will probably conclude
that I am a grandmaster, since most of the games provided there are
wins by me.



You are dreaming. It is enough to look at any one of yor games to
know that you are a patzer.

On the other hand, everybody knows that you are the FWD Chinese
Chess World Champion. Where can we find some of the many games
you must have won while climbing that pinnacle?



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Old June 6th 08, 09:34 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.analysis,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess
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On Jun 6, 3:56 am, Jürgen R. wrote:

If you look up my games on chessgames.com you will probably conclude
that I am a grandmaster, since most of the games provided there are
wins by me.


You are dreaming. It is enough to look at any one of yor games to
know that you are a patzer.


I don't believe that's true. While the relatively
small selection at chessgames.com may or
may not contain examples of strong chess by
Mr. Sloan, if you were to sift through all of his
games, there would very likely be at least a
few which are virtually indistinguishable from
those of "weak" grandmasters.

In my years of learning the game, I managed
to produce an astounding number of poorly
played games. But at or around my peak, I
had a few games which were of decent quality,
and which, although not in the brilliant style
preferred by the masses, contained some
small evidence of respectable playing skill.

We are told that Mr. Sloan used to be of
nearly master strength-- back in the days
when he was young and handsome; er, make
that just young. Let's suppose that his real
strength was that of a strong USCF Expert;
is it not likely that he occasionally played a
competent, perhaps even impressive, game?
I expect so. After years of seeing annotated
games in which some famous player's flubs
are deliberately glossed over, I have perhaps
lowered my standards a bit for human versus
human games. If the greats -- or at any rate,
the famous -- can gloss over such errors and
still get published as "brilliancies", then why
can't Mr. Sloan get any slack here?

Don't forget, not only did Mr. Sloan win the
last rgc grudge match, he is still the top pick
for the next one-- in spite of being out-rated
by the nearly-an-IM 2450 Shakespearian
scholar. He also outclasses folks like Jr,
Larry Parr, Reverend Walker and Rob
Mitchell-- sorry for any redundancies. :D

How about a posting by Mr. Sloan in which
he presents his "best" game(s), annotated?
Or one of his favorite games, perhaps?


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Old June 6th 08, 03:14 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.analysis,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess
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Default Manual of the Game of Chess by P.R. von Bilguer, 1880 Edition

On Jun 5, 11:05 am, Jürgen R. wrote:
[...]

However, you are apparently not aware of the condition of these books
in the New York Public Library. The library staff brings them to you
in a box because the pages chip off as you try to turn them. You
cannot even photocopy the pages at any price, much less at three cents
a page, because the pages will break.


Are you really so dense? These books *are* being digitized and
made available on the internet. And once this has happened *then*
you can print them on your laser printer at home much more cheaply than
your Amazon copies.


Are you so sure? Where can you get printouts for 3 cents a page? Here
is New York it is hard to find a place that charges less than 10 cents
a page.

The 1880 Edition of Bilguer's Handbuch is 704 numbered pages. Counting
the introduction it is 718 pages. At three cents a page that comes to
$21.54. Who would want to pay $21.54 for a stack of 8.5 x 11 paper
when they can for only slightly more go out and buy an attractively
bound book?

Also, the digital reprints available online are still of low quality.
They will have to get better if there it to be much interest in them.

Do you play chess? You still have not answered that question and it is
beginning to seem increasingly unlikely.

The Bilguer Handbuch will be available momentarily:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0923891404

Sam Sloan
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Old June 6th 08, 04:55 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.analysis,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess
Jürgen R.
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Default Manual of the Game of Chess by P.R. von Bilguer, 1880 Edition


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On Jun 6, 3:56 am, Jürgen R. wrote:

If you look up my games on chessgames.com you will probably conclude
that I am a grandmaster, since most of the games provided there are
wins by me.


You are dreaming. It is enough to look at any one of yor games to
know that you are a patzer.


I don't believe that's true. While the relatively
small selection at chessgames.com may or
may not contain examples of strong chess by
Mr. Sloan, if you were to sift through all of his
games, there would very likely be at least a
few which are virtually indistinguishable from
those of "weak" grandmasters.

===========================

OK. Find such a game, post it, and let us take a
closer look at it.



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Old June 6th 08, 05:00 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.analysis,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess
Jürgen R.
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Default Manual of the Game of Chess by P.R. von Bilguer, 1880 Edition


Don't forget, not only did Mr. Sloan win the
last rgc grudge match,

==========================

Right - I saw those games, and I didn't think
I was watching any GM's. In fact, 1700 would
a be generous estimate.

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Old June 7th 08, 04:35 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.analysis,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess
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Default Manual of the Game of Chess by P.R. von Bilguer, 1880 Edition

On Jun 6, 11:55 am, Jürgen R. wrote:

I don't believe that's true. While the relatively
small selection at chessgames.com may or
may not contain examples of strong chess by
Mr. Sloan, if you were to sift through all of his
games, there would very likely be at least a
few which are virtually indistinguishable from
those of "weak" grandmasters.

===========================

OK. Find such a game, post it, and let us take a
closer look at it.


OK. Send me all of Sam Sloan's games. Will do.
(Never mind that the REAL reason I want these
game scores is to prepare for a possible grudge
match... .) ;D

As for my own games, I am losing to the Advance
level at GetClub. Uhgh. I wanted an "unbalanced
position", and I sure got one.

Here is an idea for an experiment: go through
some old GM games and find some ugly ones.
Then, take the very best games from some lesser
player(s) and mix them in. Now, see if a random
chess player can tell which are which; I bet he
can't-- at least, not if you did this well enough.

In one fairly recent issue of Chess Lies
magazine, there was a game won by GM
Kaidanov against another GM. First move out
of book, the loser had an opportunity to simplify
into an even-ish Rook ending, but he was unable
to calculate the tactics. I've seen this kind of
thing, again and again. They really aren't all that
strong; it just /looks that way/ because "we" are
even weaker. :D


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Old June 7th 08, 04:52 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.analysis,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess
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Default Manual of the Game of Chess by P.R. von Bilguer, 1880 Edition

On Jun 6, 12:00 pm, Jürgen R. wrote:

Don't forget, not only did Mr. Sloan win the
last rgc grudge match,

==========================

Right - I saw those games, and I didn't think
I was watching any GM's. In fact, 1700 would
a be generous estimate.


You are way, way off in another galaxy.

Here is a link to an actual cross-table, from here
on planet Earth:

http://www.uschess.org/msa/XtblMain....69701-10152763

If you Andromedans are so very good at chess,
then why don't you challenge us Earthlings to a
match and *prove* it?

That cross-table is from a grudge match in
Earth year 2005; was there a more recent one?

As you can see, the two players performed in
the reverse of how their respective ratings would
have predicted. But combined, they averaged in
the very top of "Class A". Remember, you can't
just dismiss Mr. Sloan as a putz based on the
fact that he plays stupid openings; lots of good
players have played stupid openings, they just
didn't make a career out of it like Mr. Sloan has.


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Old June 7th 08, 07:55 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.analysis,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess
Jürgen R.
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Default Manual of the Game of Chess by P.R. von Bilguer, 1880 Edition


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...
On Jun 6, 12:00 pm, Jürgen R. wrote:

Don't forget, not only did Mr. Sloan win the
last rgc grudge match,

==========================

Right - I saw those games, and I didn't think
I was watching any GM's. In fact, 1700 would
a be generous estimate.


You are way, way off in another galaxy.

Here is a link to an actual cross-table, from here
on planet Earth:

http://www.uschess.org/msa/XtblMain....69701-10152763

If you Andromedans are so very good at chess,
then why don't you challenge us Earthlings to a
match and *prove* it?

That cross-table is from a grudge match in
Earth year 2005; was there a more recent one?

As you can see, the two players performed in
the reverse of how their respective ratings would
have predicted. But combined, they averaged in
the very top of "Class A". Remember, you can't
just dismiss Mr. Sloan as a putz based on the
fact that he plays stupid openings; lots of good
players have played stupid openings, they just
didn't make a career out of it like Mr. Sloan has.


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=========================================

When playing Sloan, particularly after he has been traveling,
you need to be prepared for the fact that he farts and snorts
continually and that he exudes an awful smell, having slept
on benches at bus stations for several days and not
having had the opportunity to change his clothes.

Also he is prone to bring along a child of one
of his recent mailorder brides that is not yet house-broken.
The bride, you ask? No, the child, poor unfortunate worm.

This is worth about 500 rating points.






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Old June 7th 08, 08:06 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.analysis,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess
Jürgen R.
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Default Manual of the Game of Chess by P.R. von Bilguer, 1880 Edition


they just
didn't make a career out of it like Mr. Sloan has.


Career? You call that a career? So far as I can tell
Sloan has failed at everything he ever tried, flunked out
of college, lost his NYC taxi driver's license, let his
Asian mailorder brides ditch him, got barred by the
SEC, came in 9th amondg 10 in a USCF election,
etc etc endlessly.










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Old June 7th 08, 08:41 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.analysis,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess
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Default Manual of the Game of Chess by P.R. von Bilguer, 1880 Edition

As far as I know, I have never met nor seen Jürgen R.

I am wondering who this person is and why he keeps saying these things
about me.

Sam Sloan
 




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