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Analyze, Why GetClub lost to Rybka.



 
 
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Old June 8th 08, 09:27 AM posted to rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,rec.games.chess.computer,rec.games.chess.politics
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Default Analyze, Why GetClub lost to Rybka.

In below game against Rybka, The GetClub lost its knight for a Pawn.

Normal Level, Played 11..... Ng3 But that was the only good move. I
went back to see

8.... Nxe4 is this move wrong?

If above move is correct I move back further

6.... Bc5 is This move by Normal Level Correct?

Which was the move that was wrong that Normal Level lost its knight.
Was there a way for saving the knight?


Game Played between sanjay11 and normal at GetClub.com

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Rybka: (White)
normal: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...632&game=Chess
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White -- Black
(Rybka) -- (normal)

1. e2-e4{16} e7-e5{0}
2. Ng1-f3{10} Nb8-c6{0}
3. Bf1-b5{10} a7-a6{0}
4. Bb5-a4{12} Ng8-f6{0}
5. Ke1-g1{10} b7-b5{100}
6. Ba4-b3{10} Bf8-c5{98}
7. Nf3-e5{12} Nc6-e5{98}
8. d2-d4{10} Nf6-e4{132}
9. d4-c5{14} d7-d6{184}
10. f2-f4{20} Ne5-c4{96}
11. Qd1-d5{20} Ne4-g3{262}
12. h2-g3{32} Bc8-e6{128}
13. Qd5-c6{28} Ke8-f8{100}
14. Bb3-c4{14} Be6-c4{84}
15. Rf1-d1{16} Qd8-e8{188}
16. Qc6-c7{16} d6-c5{134}
17. b2-b3{18} Bc4-e2{80}
18. Qc7-d6{18} Kf8-g8{122}
19. Rd1-e1{22} h7-h5{154}
20. Qd6-d2{14} h5-h4{92}
21. Qd2-e2{16} Qe8-e2{102}
22. Re1-e2{4} Ra8-d8{116}
23. Kg1-h2{16} h4-g3{82}
24. Kh2-g3{12} Rh8-h1{118}
25. Nb1-c3{22} f7-f5{192}
26. Re2-e5{34} Rd8-d6{114}
27. Re5-f5{16} Rd6-g6{156}
28. Rf5-g5{14} Rg6-g5{120}
29. f4-g5{14} Rh1-f1{150}
30. a2-a4{642} c5-c4{0}
31. a4-b5{14} a6-b5{128}
32. b3-b4{14} Rf1-f5{130}
33. g5-g6{22} Kg8-f8{216}
34. Bc1-f4{16} Kf8-e8{180}
35. Ra1-a7{38} Rf5-f6{80}
36. Ra7-g7{18} Ke8-f8{86}
37. Bf4-h6{22} Kf8-e8{226}
38. Nc3-b5{24} Rf6-c6{110}
39. Rg7-g8{26} Ke8-d7{100}
40. Bh6-g5{118} Rc6-b6{134}
41. g6-g7{32} Rb6-g6{306}
42. Rg8-d8{22} Kd7-c6{178}
43. Rd8-d6{14} Rg6-d6{214}
44. Nb5-d6{4} Kc6-d6{242}
45. Qg7-g8{Q}{8} Kd6-c7{170}
46. Qg8-c4{38} Kc7-d6{22}
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Rybka: (White)
normal: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...632&game=Chess

Please Analyze the above Chess game.

You can see despite behind a knight at move 10th GetClub managed to
stop Mate till 46 move. If that blunder would not have taken place
this would have been a draw game just like the previous game where
Normal Level drew with Rybka.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

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Old June 8th 08, 11:09 AM posted to rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,rec.games.chess.computer
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Default Analyze, Why GetClub lost to Rybka.

On Jun 8, 4:27 am, Sanny wrote:

8.... Nxe4 is this move wrong?


Yes. Black does not want to open lines when White
is already castled and he is not.


If above move is correct I move back further

6.... Bc5 is This move by Normal Level Correct?


An early ...b5 along with the aggressive ...B-c5
smacks of questionable hyper-aggression, yet it is
listed among the popular variations of this opening.


Which was the move that was wrong that Normal Level lost its knight.
Was there a way for saving the knight?


The move 9. ...d6 was awful, as it leaves holes
everywhere. Look at just the ultra-obvious one-
move tactics:

10. Qd5 forks two pieces;

10. Bd5 forks two pieces.

10. Qe1 attacks an unguarded piece, and if it
moves the one behind it is lost to p-f4 (granted,
that one is a two-mover).


Please Analyze the above Chess game.


Okay. Black played loosey-goosey in the early
opening, and dropped stuff. White mopped up
nicely.


You can see despite behind a knight at move 10th GetClub managed to
stop Mate till 46 move.


Rybka is not programmed to try for quick check-
mates; it has to obey its master, seeking "optimal"
moves, even if that means winning in the endgame
or taking 100 moves, if necessary.


If that blunder would not have taken place
this would have been a draw game just like the previous game where
Normal Level drew with Rybka.


If you were to remove Rybka's QR and set her
contempt factor to zero, then you could perhaps
generate the draws you so desperately seek.
Without any "contempt" for the opponent, Rybka
would seek, and undoubtedly secure, many draws
by repetition. Don't forget that it is customary to
advance the a-pawn to the a3 square, to adjust
for its state of unguardedness when the QR is
removed from the board.


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Old June 8th 08, 12:21 PM posted to rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,rec.games.chess.computer
Sanny
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Default Analyze, Why GetClub lost to Rybka.

Which was the move that was wrong that Normal Level lost its knight.
Was there a way for saving the knight?


*The move 9. ...d6 was awful, as it leaves holes
everywhere. *Look at just the ultra-obvious one-
move tactics:


Then what was the move that could save the Knights & Rook at move 9?

Is the loss of knight only because of 9.... d6?

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Old June 8th 08, 01:49 PM posted to rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,rec.games.chess.computer
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Default Analyze, Why GetClub lost to Rybka.

On Jun 8, 7:21 am, Sanny wrote:

Which was the move that was wrong that Normal Level lost its knight.
Was there a way for saving the knight?


The move 9. ...d6 was awful, as it leaves holes
everywhere. Look at just the ultra-obvious one-
move tactics:


Then what was the move that could save the Knights & Rook at move 9?

Is the loss of knight only because of 9.... d6?


No. The position was already bad after 8. ...Nxe4.

But the move 9. ...d6 made the win so simple even a
child could find a material-winning tactical shot.

Here are two improvements:

8. ...Bxd4 instead of ...Nxe4;

9. ...Bb7 instead of ...d6.

This whole opening line for Black is overly aggressive.
I would suggest a more solid approach for Black, or if
you really want to be aggressive, the Marshall Gambit.

Note that in the Marshall Gambit, Black gets to castle,
whereas in many, many, many of GetClub's losses, it
somehow never happens (like a rematch between Jose
Capablanca and Alexander Alekhine).


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