"samsloan" wrote in message
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On Jun 25, 9:40 am, "Chess One" wrote:

In the case of the Denker, we see refusal of substantial benefits to
young
men in chess, but with no comparison made with alternatives. The only
arguments I have read here is on how this will effect USCF, rather than
benefit young players. Those are the plain issues, worth public
discussion -
and if Denker committee is completely synonymous with USCF, then beyond
praise or blame, let us all understand that.

If CJA folks want to talk in place of Denker/USCF, are their opinions
too,
synonymous with those agencies? As represented here, they are. Which was
my
initial point!

Phil Innes

The "benefits" to young men is that one player, the winner, gets a
scholarship to Texas Tech,

I am asking with what the Texas Tech offer is //specifically// comparable
with?

plus the players get to share a double
dormitory room and get to eat buffet style meals during the
tournament. To compete for this they have to travel to Lubbock Texas
at their own expense.

Meanwhile, the present Denker arrangement is that the winners receive
cash prizes awarded by Mitch Denker and can also play in the US Open.

Which deal is better?

Which is how much? If you actually knew how much cash prizes currently were,
surely you could have mentioned them?

Then these two options could be compared. There is no need to get emotional
over a simple competive comparison.

Phil Innes

Sam Sloan

On Jun 25, 12:52 pm, "Chess One" wrote:
"samsloan" wrote in message

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On Jun 25, 9:40 am, "Chess One" wrote:

In the case of the Denker, we see refusal of substantial benefits to
young
men in chess, but with no comparison made with alternatives. The only
arguments I have read here is on how this will effect USCF, rather than
benefit young players. Those are the plain issues, worth public
discussion -
and if Denker committee is completely synonymous with USCF, then beyond
praise or blame, let us all understand that.

If CJA folks want to talk in place of Denker/USCF, are their opinions
too,
synonymous with those agencies? As represented here, they are. Which was
my
initial point!

Phil Innes

The "benefits" to young men is that one player, the winner, gets a
scholarship to Texas Tech,

I am asking with what the Texas Tech offer is //specifically// comparable
with?

plus the players get to share a double
dormitory room and get to eat buffet style meals during the
tournament. To compete for this they have to travel to Lubbock Texas
at their own expense.

Meanwhile, the present Denker arrangement is that the winners receive
cash prizes awarded by Mitch Denker and can also play in the US Open.

Which deal is better?

Which is how much? If you actually knew how much cash prizes currently were,
surely you could have mentioned them?

Then these two options could be compared. There is no need to get emotional
over a simple competitive comparison.

Phil Innes

I believe that when the prizes were announced at the last Denker in
Cherry Hill, the total of the prizes was about $5,000.

I can tell you that I would much rather get a $1000 first prize in
real money than receive a scholarship to Texas Tech University and no
money.

Sam Sloan

samsloan wrote:
On Jun 25, 12:52 pm, "Chess One" wrote:
"samsloan" wrote in message

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On Jun 25, 9:40 am, "Chess One" wrote:
In the case of the Denker, we see refusal of substantial benefits to
young
men in chess, but with no comparison made with alternatives. The only
arguments I have read here is on how this will effect USCF, rather than
benefit young players. Those are the plain issues, worth public
discussion -
and if Denker committee is completely synonymous with USCF, then beyond
praise or blame, let us all understand that.
If CJA folks want to talk in place of Denker/USCF, are their opinions
too,
synonymous with those agencies? As represented here, they are. Which was
my
initial point!
Phil Innes
The "benefits" to young men is that one player, the winner, gets a
scholarship to Texas Tech,
I am asking with what the Texas Tech offer is //specifically// comparable
with?

plus the players get to share a double
dormitory room and get to eat buffet style meals during the
tournament. To compete for this they have to travel to Lubbock Texas
at their own expense.
Meanwhile, the present Denker arrangement is that the winners receive
cash prizes awarded by Mitch Denker and can also play in the US Open.
Which deal is better?
Which is how much? If you actually knew how much cash prizes currently were,
surely you could have mentioned them?

Then these two options could be compared. There is no need to get emotional
over a simple competitive comparison.

Phil Innes

I believe that when the prizes were announced at the last Denker in
Cherry Hill, the total of the prizes was about $5,000.

I can tell you that I would much rather get a $1000 first prize in
real money than receive a scholarship to Texas Tech University and no
money.

Sam Sloan


What's wrong with a third tier university (US News and Work Report
rankings) in Texas, in the middle of nowhere? Some people might like it
and be thrilled to win a scholarship there.

"samsloan" wrote in message
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I believe that when the prizes were announced at the last Denker in
Cherry Hill, the total of the prizes was about $5,000.

I can tell you that I would much rather get a $1000 first prize in
real money than receive a scholarship to Texas Tech University and no
money.

Sam Sloan

Whereas, I believe these are the real comparsions:

The prize fund, sponsored by the Susan Polgar Foundation and the U.S. Chess
Trust, are $1,250 divided into four scholarship prizes: 1st ($500), 2nd
($300), 3rd ($250), and 4th ($200). These prizes are paid to the players
directly by the U.S. Chess Trust and the Susan Polgar Foundation, but only
upon receipt of proof of enrollment in a college, university, trade,
community, or technical school.

(The Denker structure is similar. There is no $5,000 prize. Each Denker
player receives $100 stipend which was the same as the Polgar. Last year,
the top 25 girls also got a wooden chess set, each is valued more than $120.
The winner got a $500 wooden set. The Denker did not get this. The Polgar
girls also got many more prizes and perks. This year, the Polgar girls also
get free room, meal, and many other chess prizes instead of the $100. The
Denker boys get to pay $120/night hotel x 6 nights, $50/food per day x 6
days, and $155 entry fees to the US Open if they choose to play in both.)

In addition, a $500 Ursula Foster scholarship is also awarded to the highest
finisher under the age of 14. The scholarship is divided in the case of a
tie.

Phil Innes