A Chess forum. ChessBanter

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Home » ChessBanter forum » Chess Newsgroups » alt.chess (Alternative Chess Group)
Site Map Home Register Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

Please do not re-elect the USCF Incumbents



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old January 9th 13, 03:39 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess
samsloan
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 14,869
Default Please do not re-elect the USCF Incumbents

There is only one guy in this list who has not been on the board
previously.

I intend to bullet-vote for that guy.

The USCF is in such bad condition that everybody else should share the
blame for this.

There used to be a rule that members of the board were not allowed to
run for re-election.

They should bring back that rule.

Sam Sloan
  #2  
Old January 11th 13, 03:50 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess
samsloan
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 14,869
Default Please do not re-elect the USCF Incumbents

Quote:
Originally Posted by Grayson
Quote:
Originally Posted by samsloan
There is only one guy in this list
who has not been on the board previously.

I intend to bullet-vote for that guy.

The USCF is in such bad condition that everybody else should share the
blame for this.

There used to be a rule that members of the board were not allowed to
run for re-election.

They should bring back that rule.
"only one guy"--true.
"bullet vote for that guy"--he'll be grateful.
"such bad condition"--I think we need a lot of work to be functioning
well. The organization has made substantial strides in the past four
years.
"not allowed to run for re-election"-- two comments: First, we are
facing a large election with four seats to be decided. Only six
members stepped forward for these volunteer positions
(thanks). Five of those six members have done it before. There's not
an overabundance of folks wanting the job. It's true that others might
step forward if there was a one-and-done rule, but, and second, the
loss of experience seems like a big downside to me.
Just a few elections ago there were 17 people running for the board.

I realize you are a newbe so you do not know about this.

They tightened up the rules mainly to stop me from running by
increasing the number of signatures required, requiring a number of
delegate signatures, and greatly increasing the filing fee from $30 to
$250.

What this has done is stop many other would-be volunteers from running
for the board.

It is not that they do not want to run for the board. It is that you,
the incumbents, do not want to lose control.

Sam Sloan
  #3  
Old January 11th 13, 03:57 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess
samsloan
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 14,869
Default Please do not re-elect the USCF Incumbents

Quote:
Originally Posted by nolan
Sam, WHEN was there a rule that PB/EB members couldn't
run for re-election?

It wasn't in the early 80's, because Myron Lieberman served 3
consecutive terms (9 years in a row) on the Board before reaching the
term limits in effect at the time. Since then term lengths and term
limits have both varied but PB/EB members have been eligible to run
for at least a second consecutive term on the board.

However, I think that the USCF President was not allowed to run for re-
election when we had direct election of officers. Under the current
rules, with the EB electing its own officers, someone may serve as
USCF President for 4 years in a row.
You must be having a senior moment.

The rule was always that Board Members could not be re-elected. The
sole exception was that the Secretary could be re-elected, mainly
because almost nobody wanted that job.

This resulted in Rachel Lieberman being re-elected Secretary several
times, usually unopposed, but nobody else was ever re-elected.

Sam Sloan
  #4  
Old January 11th 13, 04:09 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess
samsloan
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 14,869
Default Please do not re-elect the USCF Incumbents

Quote:
Originally Posted by Randy Bauer
Right on. Look at the current Board - most of
these individuals are serving their first or second term EVER on the
EB. Bill Goichberg is the exception, and he is term-limited.

Under OMOV, we have had lots of new EB members who never served prior
- look it up. Far from continuing 'the elites' OMOV has led to lots
of new blood - the Harings, Berrys, Nietmans, Atkins, Walters, Priests
and Bauers of the EB world. I am hopeful that we will add Chuck Unruh
to that list - one (maybe the only thing) on which Sam Sloan and I
agree.
You are ignoring the fact that most of the people on the above list
were specifically recruited to run by the Big Man on the Top, the man
who really runs the organization.

Almost everybody now knows that it is pointless to run and a waste of
time and money to run without the support of the Big Man.

Sam Sloan
  #5  
Old January 11th 13, 04:55 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess
samsloan
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 14,869
Default Please do not re-elect the USCF Incumbents

Quote:
Originally Posted by Randy Bauer
Quote:
Originally Posted by samsloan
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grayson
Quote:
Originally Posted by samsloan
There is only one guy in this list who has not been
on the board previously.

I intend to bullet-vote for that guy.

The USCF is in such bad condition that everybody else should share the
blame for this.

There used to be a rule that members of the board were not allowed to
run for re-election.

They should bring back that rule.
"only one guy"--true.
"bullet vote for that guy"--he'll be grateful.
"such bad condition"--I think we need a lot of work to be functioning
well. The organization has made substantial strides in the past four
years.
"not allowed to run for re-election"-- two comments: First, we are
facing a large election with four seats to be decided. Only six
members stepped forward for these volunteer positions
(thanks). Five of those six members have done it before. There's not
an overabundance of folks wanting the job. It's true that others might
step forward if there was a one-and-done rule, but, and second, the
loss of experience seems like a big downside to me.
Just a few elections ago there were 17 people running for the board.

I realize you are a newbe so you do not know about this.

They tightened up the rules mainly to stop me from running by
increasing the number of signatures required, requiring a number of
delegate signatures, and greatly increasing the filing fee from $30 to
$250.

What this has done is stop many other would-be volunteers from running
for the board.

It is not that they do not want to run for the board. It is that you,
the incumbents, do not want to lose control.
As usual, Sam Sloan has it bass ackwards. The EB didn't enact the new
filing requirements, the Delegates did. In fact, it was part of a
long-discussed package of election revisions that a committee worked
on for several months. In fact, the filing requirements that were
first presented to the Delegates were even more stringent than what we
had now. I - even though I was at the time on the EB - and others
worked out a compromise that dialed back the requirements a bit.

Personally, I think having 6 well-qualified candidates for the 4 spots
on the EB is just fine and 17 is far too many.

Although I think Sam Sloan believes the USCF universe revolves around
him and every decision is somehow directed at him, it's just not the
case.
Yes, and that committee too was controlled by the Big Man at the Top.
The changes he wanted would have made it impossible for anybody to run
who was not designated by him.

It is absolutely true however that the delegates cut it back a bit,
opening a small window of opportunity for those not controlled by the
Big Man to run.

Sam Sloan
 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Opposition to Polgar Ultra Vires Motion MrVidmar rec.games.chess.politics (Chess Politics) 0 June 23rd 09 03:18 PM
Opposition to Polgar Ultra Vires Motion MrVidmar rec.games.chess.misc (Chess General) 0 June 23rd 09 03:18 PM
First Draft: Blue Book Encyclopedia of Chess samsloan rec.games.chess.politics (Chess Politics) 24 February 29th 08 04:55 PM
First Draft: Blue Book Encyclopedia of Chess samsloan rec.games.chess.analysis (Chess Analysis) 4 February 16th 08 04:46 PM
First Draft: Blue Book Encyclopedia of Chess samsloan rec.games.chess.computer (Computer Chess) 4 February 16th 08 04:46 PM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 08:01 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 2.4.0
Copyright ©2004-2017 ChessBanter.
The comments are property of their posters.