Paul Truong deserves full credit for one thing: He has taken a
relatively unattractive young lady and made her into a beauty queen.
It is truly amazing how he was able to do this. A remarkable
transformation!!!

However, there may be those of you who would like to know what the
Real Susan Polgar looks like, without the makeup, the padded bras,
falsies, the dyed hair and the works. Just the plain old Real Susan.

So, here she is. You will hardly be able to recognize her. She is
speaking to Leontxo Garcia, the famous chess journalist from Spain,
during the 1988 World Chess Olympiad in Thessaloniki, Greece. Susan's
father, Laszlo Polgar, is to the left hand side of the crowd. He is
bearded and slightly bald on top.

I took this picture myself. It is one of a bunch of pictures I
recovered during my recent trip to San Francisco on August 15-23, 2008
in which I was able to locate and recover some of my old possessions.

Sam Sloan

http://www.anusha.com/real-polgar.htm

On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 12:53:43 -0700 (PDT), samsloan
wrote:

Jesus, Sam, what's the point ? She deserves to present herself to the
world however she wants -- it doesn't hurt anybody. What's the point
of these remarks, other than to hurt her feelings?

On Oct 8, 2:53*pm, samsloan wrote:
Paul Truong deserves full credit for one thing: He has taken a
relatively unattractive young lady and made her into a beauty queen.
It is truly amazing how he was able to do this. A remarkable
transformation!!!

However, there may be those of you who would like to know what the
Real Susan Polgar looks like, without the makeup, the padded bras,
falsies, the dyed hair and the works. Just the plain old Real Susan.

So, here she is. You will hardly be able to recognize her. She is
speaking to Leontxo Garcia, the famous chess journalist from Spain,
during the 1988 World Chess Olympiad in Thessaloniki, Greece. Susan's
father, Laszlo Polgar, is to the left hand side of the crowd. He is
bearded and slightly bald on top.

I took this picture myself. It is one of a bunch of pictures I
recovered during my recent trip to San Francisco on August 15-23, 2008
in which I was able to locate and recover some of my old possessions.

Sam Sloan

http://www.anusha.com/real-polgar.htm

....champions the author of the post, "The Real Susan Polgar."

On Oct 8, 5:42*pm, Mike Murray wrote:
On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 12:53:43 -0700 (PDT), samsloan

wrote:

Jesus, Sam, what's the point ? *She deserves to present herself to the
world however she wants -- it doesn't hurt anybody. *What's the point
of these remarks, other than to hurt her feelings?

You are absolutely right and normally I never make a comment about any
person's physical appearance. I do not believe that you have ever seen
me make such a comment like this before.

However, after being attacked daily by Polgar and Truong for the past
three years I think it is understandable that I would say something.

I now understand why the Hungarians hated her so much. She was doing
the same things over there to them, as she is now doing here to us.

Sam Sloan

"Mike Murray" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 12:53:43 -0700 (PDT), samsloan
wrote:

Jesus, Sam, what's the point ? She deserves to present herself to the
world however she wants -- it doesn't hurt anybody. What's the point
of these remarks, other than to hurt her feelings?

because he is obsessed, like you are murray!

he is a rejected suitor - get it?

even his supporters can't stop his series of celebrations even though it
brings the house down - they can't even mention it to him in case he
isolates them - fischer was much the same towards the end of his life, and
for some, fischer the person was a great romantic hero

don't you understand about pathalogical obsessions and resentments?

it is the complete inability to notice such comments as your own, and you
should know, having rejected and mocked 47 [isn't it?] objections to your
own certainties

this message will achieve as much with you as yours has with sloan - it is
not intended to be a conscious reference point to you, since your ego
overcomes all objections [that's the mechanism, as if it were your will]
just as with the sloan

it is intended to register elsewhere

and what a shock it is to see yourself so mirrored, heh? but its okay, while
you still you live you can treat it as human condition - later too late

phil innes

On Oct 8, 8:53 pm, samsloan wrote:
Paul Truong deserves full credit for one thing: He has taken a
relatively unattractive young lady and made her into a beauty queen.
It is truly amazing how he was able to do this. A remarkable
transformation!!!

However, there may be those of you who would like to know what the
Real Susan Polgar looks like, without the makeup, the padded bras,
falsies, the dyed hair and the works. Just the plain old Real Susan.

So, here she is. You will hardly be able to recognize her. She is
speaking to Leontxo Garcia, the famous chess journalist from Spain,
during the 1988 World Chess Olympiad in Thessaloniki, Greece. Susan's
father, Laszlo Polgar, is to the left hand side of the crowd. He is
bearded and slightly bald on top.

That picture is 20 years old. It would have been really weird if she
had still looked the same.

On Oct 9, 5:48*am, Offramp wrote:
On Oct 8, 8:53 pm, samsloan wrote:

Paul Truong deserves full credit for one thing: He has taken a
relatively unattractive young lady and made her into a beauty queen.
It is truly amazing how he was able to do this. A remarkable
transformation!!!

However, there may be those of you who would like to know what the
Real Susan Polgar looks like, without the makeup, the padded bras,
falsies, the dyed hair and the works. Just the plain old Real Susan.

So, here she is. You will hardly be able to recognize her. She is
speaking to Leontxo Garcia, the famous chess journalist from Spain,
during the 1988 World Chess Olympiad in Thessaloniki, Greece. Susan's
father, Laszlo Polgar, is to the left hand side of the crowd. He is
bearded and slightly bald on top.

That picture is 20 years old. It would have been really weird if she
had still looked the same.

She was born in 1969. Is it not remarkable that she looks better at 39
then she did at 19?

"samsloan" wrote in message
...
On Oct 8, 5:42 pm, Mike Murray wrote:
On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 12:53:43 -0700 (PDT), samsloan

wrote:

Jesus, Sam, what's the point ? She deserves to present herself to the
world however she wants -- it doesn't hurt anybody. What's the point
of these remarks, other than to hurt her feelings?

You are absolutely right and normally I never make a comment about any
person's physical appearance. I do not believe that you have ever seen
me make such a comment like this before.

However, after being attacked daily by Polgar and Truong for the past
three years I think it is understandable that I would say something.

UNREAL OR NO?

**Sam Sloan is now disposed to say that he offers tit-for-tat, and that
Polgar and Truong are daily commentating on his physical appearance? That
must make the Sloan feel very important indeed! But, alas, as usual with the
Sloan, he 'reluctantly' responds to these inventions and gross exaggerations
of his own imagination - since plainly he has now mixed up a fine brew by
suggesting that Polgar and Truong consider him of such importance they
insult him every day! that he himself is not obsessed with her but they with
him! added to which is a recurrent persecution complex, and subsequent
paranoia.

**How interesting that Sam Sloan concludes his message with the following -
as if to justify his own action by ...

I now understand why the Hungarians hated her so much. She was doing
the same things over there to them, as she is now doing here to us.

**...male chauvinist and anti-semitic elements still active in Hungarian
society. I see that even 2 years ago a fella active in Hungarian chess was
hauled in front of the European Commission for hate-speech crimes of this
sort [the Protocols, and so on] - he was found guilty. But perhaps Sam Sloan
is referring to others in Hungary? - we could compare distribution lists.

DOING TO US

**The Sloan is miffed since Susan Polgar "is now doing here to us" a
category XV rr, which the collective mass of paid USCF staff have not
brought off for 35 years since their move from Greenwich Village. Such a
doing is reprehensible according to the Sloan, and needs rebuke.

**If the Sloan could ever get off the personality thing, he might then
accept that one measure of people's worth is a more objective factor, that
is, what they achieve. It might help him to gain a perspective of his own
stature in chess by also wondering why anyone would even conceivably want to
attack him for 3 years on a daily basis? What could that possibly achieve in
or out of office?

REALER

**Sam Sloan might instead consider attacking the subject of chess, rather
than gaining a certain notoriety as a celebrity hitch-hiker gossiping about
his associations with the famous [even invented associations] - a condition
itself famously producing varieties of distortions in the appreciation of
things, so that utterly petty personal pricks are confounded with large
issues which actually have to do with the health of chess in the country.

**Phil Innes



Sam Sloan

On Oct 9, 9:52*am, "Chess One" wrote:
"samsloan" wrote in message

...
On Oct 8, 5:42 pm, Mike Murray wrote:

On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 12:53:43 -0700 (PDT), samsloan

wrote:

Jesus, Sam, what's the point ? She deserves to present herself to the
world however she wants -- it doesn't hurt anybody. What's the point
of these remarks, other than to hurt her feelings?

You are absolutely right and normally I never make a comment about any
person's physical appearance. I do not believe that you have ever seen
me make such a comment like this before.

However, after being attacked daily by Polgar and Truong for the past
three years I think it is understandable that I would say something.

* * UNREAL OR NO?

**Sam Sloan is now disposed to say that he offers tit-for-tat, and that
Polgar and Truong are daily commentating on his physical appearance? That
must make the Sloan feel very important indeed! But, alas, as usual with the
Sloan, he 'reluctantly' responds to these inventions and gross exaggerations
of his own imagination - since plainly he has now mixed up a fine brew by
suggesting that Polgar and Truong consider him of such importance they
insult him every day! that he himself is not obsessed with her but they with
him! added to which is a recurrent persecution complex, and subsequent
paranoia.

**How interesting that Sam Sloan concludes his message with the following -
as if to justify his own action by ...

I now understand why the Hungarians hated her so much. She was doing
the same things over there to them, as she is now doing here to us.

**...male chauvinist and anti-semitic elements still active in Hungarian
society. I see that even 2 years ago a fella active in Hungarian chess was
hauled in front of the European Commission for hate-speech crimes of this
sort [the Protocols, and so on] - he was found guilty. But perhaps Sam Sloan
is referring to others in Hungary? - we could compare distribution lists.

* * DOING TO US

**The Sloan is miffed since Susan Polgar "is now doing here to us" a
category XV rr, which the collective mass of paid USCF staff have not
brought off for 35 years since their move from Greenwich Village. Such a
doing is reprehensible according to the Sloan, and needs rebuke.

**If the Sloan could ever get off the personality thing, he might then
accept that one measure of people's worth is a more objective factor, that
is, what they achieve. It might help him to gain a perspective of his own
stature in chess by also wondering why anyone would even conceivably want to
attack him for 3 years on a daily basis? What could that possibly achieve in
or out of office?

* * REALER

**Sam Sloan might instead consider attacking the subject of chess, rather
than gaining a certain notoriety as a celebrity hitch-hiker gossiping about
his associations with the famous [even invented associations] - a condition
itself famously producing varieties of distortions in the appreciation of
things, so that utterly petty personal pricks are confounded with large
issues which actually have to do with the health of chess in the country.

**Phil Innes

Just about everybody except for Phil Innes now accepts and agrees that
it was Paul Truong and Susan Polgar who have posted 2,464 messages as
"The Fake Sam Sloan" since June 25, 2005, except there are those who
feel that Paul Truong acted alone and Susan Polgar was not involved.

So, it seems clear that it is an almost universally held view that
Truong and Polgar are obsessed with me, not the other way around.

I am certainly not obsessed with her. If I had the opportunity to pick
a top rated female chess player to sleep with, there is one I have in
mind right now and it definitely is not her.

Now, Phil Innes claims that all the trouble that Susan Polgar had with
the other Hungarian chess players and with the Hungarian Chess
Federation was entirely due to "male chauvinist and anti-Semitic
elements still active in Hungarian society". This has been the
Official Susan Polgar Line for the 24 years that I have known her. She
used to claim that she was being persecuted by her fellow Hungarians.
Now that she has moved here, we in the USCF have become her
tormentors. She seems not to be claiming at present that the USCF is
anti-Semitic. I was going to mention in my latest pleading that the
obvious reason she is not using that line at present is the majority
of the current USCF board is Jewish, so this one would not fly well,
so now she claims that it is all because the board is anti-women and
anti-foreigner that they are all against her.

Phil Innes has become her official spokesman, since she no longer
speaks directly to the membership herself. Does anybody other than
Phil Innes accept the lines of BS we keep hearing?

Sam Sloan

"samsloan" wrote in message
...
On Oct 9, 9:52 am, "Chess One" wrote:
"samsloan" wrote in message

...
On Oct 8, 5:42 pm, Mike Murray wrote:

On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 12:53:43 -0700 (PDT), samsloan

wrote:

Jesus, Sam, what's the point ? She deserves to present herself to the
world however she wants -- it doesn't hurt anybody. What's the point
of these remarks, other than to hurt her feelings?

You are absolutely right and normally I never make a comment about any
person's physical appearance. I do not believe that you have ever seen
me make such a comment like this before.

However, after being attacked daily by Polgar and Truong for the past
three years I think it is understandable that I would say something.

UNREAL OR NO?

**Sam Sloan is now disposed to say that he offers tit-for-tat, and that
Polgar and Truong are daily commentating on his physical appearance? That
must make the Sloan feel very important indeed! But, alas, as usual with
the
Sloan, he 'reluctantly' responds to these inventions and gross
exaggerations
of his own imagination - since plainly he has now mixed up a fine brew by
suggesting that Polgar and Truong consider him of such importance they
insult him every day! that he himself is not obsessed with her but they
with
him! added to which is a recurrent persecution complex, and subsequent
paranoia.

**How interesting that Sam Sloan concludes his message with the
following -
as if to justify his own action by ...

I now understand why the Hungarians hated her so much. She was doing
the same things over there to them, as she is now doing here to us.

**...male chauvinist and anti-semitic elements still active in Hungarian
society. I see that even 2 years ago a fella active in Hungarian chess was
hauled in front of the European Commission for hate-speech crimes of this
sort [the Protocols, and so on] - he was found guilty. But perhaps Sam
Sloan
is referring to others in Hungary? - we could compare distribution lists.

DOING TO US

**The Sloan is miffed since Susan Polgar "is now doing here to us" a
category XV rr, which the collective mass of paid USCF staff have not
brought off for 35 years since their move from Greenwich Village. Such a
doing is reprehensible according to the Sloan, and needs rebuke.

**If the Sloan could ever get off the personality thing, he might then
accept that one measure of people's worth is a more objective factor, that
is, what they achieve. It might help him to gain a perspective of his own
stature in chess by also wondering why anyone would even conceivably want
to
attack him for 3 years on a daily basis? What could that possibly achieve
in
or out of office?

REALER

**Sam Sloan might instead consider attacking the subject of chess, rather
than gaining a certain notoriety as a celebrity hitch-hiker gossiping
about
his associations with the famous [even invented associations] - a
condition
itself famously producing varieties of distortions in the appreciation of
things, so that utterly petty personal pricks are confounded with large
issues which actually have to do with the health of chess in the country.

**Phil Innes

Just about everybody except for Phil Innes now accepts and agrees that
it was Paul Truong and Susan Polgar who have posted 2,464 messages as
"The Fake Sam Sloan" since June 25, 2005, except there are those who
feel that Paul Truong acted alone and Susan Polgar was not involved.

**That would make the half dozen people appearing here = everybody? There
seem to be vastly more people who think otherwise and who say so, but I
suppose if you choose to only observe such a tiny universe, one unmoderated
part governed only by suppositions, then you 'know' things yet unknown by,
say, the courts, or other chess venues.

So, it seems clear that it is an almost universally held view that
Truong and Polgar are obsessed with me, not the other way around.

**Which is precisely what I wrote above about about Sam Sloan's delusion.
There is no objective proof of anything by independent authority, and a
small-mob appearing locally is the entire Sloanic universe. But it would
appear that Sam Sloan actually thinks what he says is true - that for some
inexplicable reason he has become fascinating to Polgar and Truong, though
he perhaps has not yet suggested why that would come about?

I am certainly not obsessed with her.

**REALITY CHECK**

**Since we have not yet encountered one single objectified fact in the
Sloan's delusional missive - how can slagging this couple for several years,
several times every day, possibly be not obsessive? )

**REALITY CHECK**

**The entire universe as the Sloan knows it, which might be as many as even
a dozen people who are still interested to publicly suppose on the identity
of the FSS, have not proved anything either - not objectively proved by
rules of evidence of the law of the land any single thing. They have instead
supposed on things. Whereas unless words have no meaning at all, the Sloan
denies his obsession while at the same time not denying what it is
*demonstrated* to any reader of this newsgroup - thousands of references to
Polgar and Truong is not *demonstrated* obsession, says the Sloan!

**Now, when people are so far off the page as this as to equivocate and deny
what is plain evidence to any reader here - it is pointless to continue
conversing with them as if they even know what they do, since whatever they
have to say about themselves is so evidently contradicted by what they
themselves demonstrate.

If I had the opportunity to pick
a top rated female chess player to sleep with, there is one I have in
mind right now and it definitely is not her.

**What Sam Sloan admits here is simply more of what I wrote above - not only
is he a rejected suitor, we see from his own published fantasies the nature
of the attraction - these are, after all, his own volunteered words. What I
am doing is merely noticing the behavior, and saying the behavior, not the
spin, is what's real about the Sloan.

Now, Phil Innes claims that all the trouble that Susan Polgar had with
the other Hungarian chess players and with the Hungarian Chess
Federation was entirely due to "male chauvinist and anti-Semitic
elements still active in Hungarian society".

**Actually I didn't claim that on behalf of Susan Polgar [who is
incidentally playing chess in Hungary this very day] I said it was my
knowledge of what was going even two years ago!

This has been the
Official Susan Polgar Line for the 24 years that I have known her. She
used to claim that she was being persecuted by her fellow Hungarians.

**Does Sam Sloan mean that sexist behavior and anti-semiticism in Hungarian
chess circles are imaginary?

Now that she has moved here, we in the USCF have become her
tormentors.

**Are you quoting Beatriz Marinello? B said the same thing without irony.

She seems not to be claiming at present that the USCF is
anti-Semitic. I was going to mention in my latest pleading that the
obvious reason she is not using that line at present is the majority
of the current USCF board is Jewish, so this one would not fly well,

**So you raise a 'problem' about her Jewishness which is not actually a
problem that anyone has raised? Why do you do that Sloan? I am a European,
and we had plenty of experience of that type of dialog in Europe.

so now she claims that it is all because the board is anti-women and
anti-foreigner that they are all against her.

**Yes, well - Beatriz said the same, and shall we allow women their own
opinion in the C21st, or shall we tell them they should not be expressing
these opinions? I wonder if you will mention your own attitude to this in
your next pleading?

Phil Innes has become her official spokesman, since she no longer

**Sam Sloan does not tell the truth. What he confuses is that in my culture
women are allowed their own point of view as individuals, and those people
who verbally beat up on them because they are women are frequently
confronted about their attitude by men who are not afraid of women, and
actually like intelligent, vocal and agalitarian female companions. That is
a perspective of a Celt - it is a less observed practice among Muslims, no?
And I think Sam Sloan is a Muslim.

speaks directly to the membership herself. Does anybody other than
Phil Innes accept the lines of BS we keep hearing?

**Why do you ask if you are, as you say you are, not obsessed, and have now
adopted a new fantasy female? In fact, what you do here is deny an
obsession, and then manically andf immediately return to it INT HE SAME
MESSAGE, plus inviting others to take part in a little mysogonistic
speculatory activity, no?

**Phil Innes


Sam Sloan