In a message dated 8/20/2008 8:08:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
writes:

Subj: [fide-chess] Chess Fed of Canada quits publishing its magazine
Date:8/20/2008 8:08:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time


Things are even worse north of the border.
You may ask, "Worse? how can it be worse?"
I asked the same question. But it is.

The Chess Federation of Canada stopped publishing its magazine
without even the courtesy of a note. A governor of the CFC said that
not only did they stop the magazine, they are selling their offices
and are trying to find someone to outsource their equipment and
books.
CFC might just collapse in the near future.

On Aug 20, 10:13*am, " wrote:
In a message dated 8/20/2008 8:08:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

writes:

Subj: [fide-chess] Chess Fed of Canada quits publishing its magazine
Date:8/20/2008 8:08:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time


Things are even worse north of the border.
You may ask, "Worse? how can it be worse?"
I asked the same question. But it is.

The Chess Federation of Canada stopped publishing its magazine
without even the courtesy of a note. A governor of the CFC said that
not only did they stop the magazine, they are selling their offices
and are trying to find someone to outsource their equipment and
books.
CFC might just collapse in the near future.

Larry,
It sounds not very unlike the USCF's problems.

On Aug 20, 11:45 am, Rob wrote:

Larry,
It sounds not very unlike the USCF's problems.

No more so than any other fed is struggling with money problems, Rob.

Actually Larry's Chicken Little proposal (number 3,457 of his "the sky
is falling" pronouncements) that the CFC will fold is very premature,
and the reason I think so is because of something Larry has always
supposedly lobbied for - disclosure.

Go to the CFC website and view the various white papers and such. They
have been very clear that they are in trouble for some time.

The statement that the magazine was stopped without a note seems
inaccurate to me, but I won't contest Parr's statement until I
research it some more.

But I think this is an organization that communicates with its
members, and thus, if they do fold, any transition to a new org
should be easier, but I actually think this is one of the few
organizations that could successfully "reorganize." The USCF? if it
does die, that will be a violent death, again, my opinion.... and no
one to pick up the pieces.

On Aug 20, 1:12*pm, SBD wrote:
On Aug 20, 11:45 am, Rob wrote:

Larry,
It sounds not very unlike the USCF's problems.

No more so than any other fed is struggling with money problems, Rob.

Actually Larry's Chicken Little proposal (number 3,457 of his "the sky
is falling" pronouncements) that the CFC will fold is very premature,
and the reason I think so is because of something Larry has always
supposedly lobbied for - disclosure.

Go to the CFC website and view the various white papers and such. They
have been very clear that they are in trouble for some time.

The statement that the magazine was stopped without a note seems
inaccurate to me, but I won't contest Parr's statement until I
research it some more.


My pronouncement was unresearched. Just going from what I have read
posted here about stopping the publication. There is a slight
similarity in selling their offices but the USCF reinvested again.(7%
interest for 15 years on the mortgage, I think) But the CFC is, I
think, a much smaller organization than the USCF and may have access
to less financial support.

But I think this is an organization that communicates with its
members, and thus, if they do fold, any transition to a new org
should *be easier, but I actually think this is one of the few
organizations that could successfully "reorganize." The USCF? if it
does die, that will be a violent death, again, my opinion.... and no
one to pick up the pieces.

I agree with you here too. If the end ever does come for the USCF, it
will go down with about as much grace as a wounded water buffalo and
the turmoil created in the wake of it's death throes would not be one
easily righted.

On Aug 20, 4:42 pm, Rob wrote:

My pronouncement was unresearched. Just going from what I have read
posted here about stopping the publication. There is a slight
similarity in selling their offices but the USCF reinvested again.(7%
interest for 15 years on the mortgage, I think) But the CFC is, I
think, a much smaller organization than the USCF and may have access
to less financial support.


A smaller organization needs less financial support; in fact, perhaps
the US fed tries to do too much, spreading itself too thin?

I agree with you here too. If the end ever does come for the USCF, it
will go down with about as much grace as a wounded water buffalo and
the turmoil created in the wake of it's death throes would not be one
easily righted.

Too many people too heavily invested in the future of the
organization; I've seen what happens when such organizations fail and
it isn't pretty. In that case, hopefully the state orgs take care of
chess in their states while trying to figure out what to do.

That said, I don't see the USCF in death throes, my guess is it will
outlast many of its critics. You can limp along the way they are going
for a long time.

On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:12:05 -0700 (PDT), SBD
wrote:

On Aug 20, 11:45 am, Rob wrote:

Larry,
It sounds not very unlike the USCF's problems.

No more so than any other fed is struggling with money problems, Rob.

Actually Larry's Chicken Little proposal (number 3,457 of his "the sky
is falling" pronouncements) that the CFC will fold is very premature,
and the reason I think so is because of something Larry has always
supposedly lobbied for - disclosure.

The CFC is having huge financial problems. And could quite likely
fold.


The statement that the magazine was stopped without a note seems
inaccurate to me, but I won't contest Parr's statement until I
research it some more.


Actually as a CFC member this is VERY accurate. As a matter of fact
my last 'renewal' letter sent in Aug. was still advertising the
magazine when it had been cancelled 6 months earlier.

The CFC has only a small article on its web page announcing the
cancelation of the print magazine. Members have not been told
properly.

USCCF -- US CONTINENTIAL CHESS FEDERATION

For the record, I do not predict the demise of
the USCF. I have repeatedly written that "there will
always be a USCF." But it is increasingly likely,
though not inevitable (see an alternative mentioned
below) that the Federation will become a
hole-in-the-wall office acting as a tournament
sanctioning body, rating, and clearing house.

The downhill slide has been pronounced since the
turn of the century. Whatever eventually emerges
will be very different from what we have now.

However, the most likely outcome is that the
USCF becomes Bill Goichberg's USCCF after a fire sale.

There is a real political looting element now
circling the corporate body that may soon become a
carcass ripe for the picking. The insiders always
make good money at a liquidation. Goichberg seems
well-positioned to pocket a half million or more.

Lest anyone read the above as necessarily a
criticism of Goichberg, I will stipulate that possibly
his successor USCCF will be a more dynamic
servant of chess than the current USCF. One might
have some harsh words about the hypocrisy involved in
the scuttling process, but that is another issue.

Yours, Larry Parr




wrote:
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:12:05 -0700 (PDT), SBD
wrote:

On Aug 20, 11:45 am, Rob wrote:

Larry,
It sounds not very unlike the USCF's problems.

No more so than any other fed is struggling with money problems, Rob.

Actually Larry's Chicken Little proposal (number 3,457 of his "the sky
is falling" pronouncements) that the CFC will fold is very premature,
and the reason I think so is because of something Larry has always
supposedly lobbied for - disclosure.

The CFC is having huge financial problems. And could quite likely
fold.


The statement that the magazine was stopped without a note seems
inaccurate to me, but I won't contest Parr's statement until I
research it some more.


Actually as a CFC member this is VERY accurate. As a matter of fact
my last 'renewal' letter sent in Aug. was still advertising the
magazine when it had been cancelled 6 months earlier.

The CFC has only a small article on its web page announcing the
cancelation of the print magazine. Members have not been told
properly.

On Sep 5, 2:30*am, " wrote:
*USCCF -- US CONTINENTIAL CHESS FEDERATION

* * * For the record, I do not predict the demise of
the USCF. *I have repeatedly written that "there will
always be a USCF." *But it is increasingly likely,
though not inevitable (see an alternative mentioned
below) that the Federation will become a
hole-in-the-wall office acting as a tournament
sanctioning body, rating, and clearing house.

* * * The downhill slide has been pronounced since the
turn of the century. Whatever eventually emerges
will be very different from what we have now.

* * * However, the most likely outcome is that the
USCF becomes Bill Goichberg's USCCF after a fire sale.

* * * There is a real political looting element now
circling the corporate body that may soon become a
carcass ripe for the picking. *The insiders always
make good money at a liquidation. *Goichberg seems
well-positioned to pocket a half million or more.

* * * Lest anyone read the above as necessarily a
criticism of Goichberg, I will stipulate that possibly
his successor USCCF will be a more dynamic
servant of chess than the current USCF. *One might
have some harsh words about the hypocrisy involved in
the scuttling process, but that is another issue.

Yours, Larry Parr



wrote:
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:12:05 -0700 (PDT), SBD
wrote:

On Aug 20, 11:45 am, Rob wrote:

Larry,
It sounds not very unlike the USCF's problems.

No more so than any other fed is struggling with money problems, Rob.

Actually Larry's Chicken Little proposal (number 3,457 of his "the sky
is falling" pronouncements) that the CFC will fold is very premature,
and the reason I think so is because of something Larry has always
supposedly lobbied for - disclosure.

The CFC is having huge financial problems. *And could quite likely
fold.

The statement that the magazine was stopped without a note seems
inaccurate to me, but I won't contest Parr's statement until I
research it some more.

Actually as a CFC member this is VERY accurate. *As a matter of fact
my last 'renewal' letter sent in Aug. was still advertising the
magazine when it had been cancelled 6 months earlier.

The CFC has only a small article on its web page announcing the
cancelation of the print magazine. *Members have not been told
properly.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

As long as Bill and that weasel Shultz are pulling the strings the
USCF will be an economic disaster.

On Sep 5, 10:32*am, none wrote:

As long as Bill and that weasel Shultz are pulling the strings the
USCF will be an economic disaster.

Dear Mr. Truong,

Don Schultz is completely out of it. I do not expect him back.

I am surprised you say these things about him because he supported
your dearly beloved until the very end.

Sam Sloan

On Sep 5, 11:00*am, samsloan wrote:
On Sep 5, 10:32*am, none wrote:

As long as Bill and that weasel Shultz are pulling the strings the
USCF will be an economic disaster.

Dear Mr. Truong,

Don Schultz is completely out of it. I do not expect him back.

I am surprised you say these things about him because he supported
your dearly beloved until the very end.

Sam Sloan

Dear Mr. Truong,

--you idiot, I'm not PT

Don Schultz is completely out of it. I do not expect him back.

--Hard to believe he is not still working the phones and sending the
Emails...like that scoop he gave you about Marinello's sexual
leanings...what a weasel...not pulling strings?...don't make me
laugh...it might rupture my colostomy bag.

I am surprised you say these things about him because he supported
your dearly beloved until the very end.

--He has no clue as to who is my "dearly beloved".

Sam Sloan

--The president of I****u Press.

--Here is a new scandal for you: Why doesn't the 2007 form 990 of the
Polgar foundation list their "grants given" pursuant to the 990
instructions? Why does HT list his address as Florida and not NY where
he lived?