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On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 23:33:19 +0200, Antonio Torrecillas
wrote: And the second question is ... what was the saving resource Kotov missed in his winning line? Maybe 1.Ng4 Qxd4 2.Nxh6 Kf8! and black need to see some "only moves" in a row like: As I said, Fritz evaluates the position resulting from 1...Qxd4 as slightly superior for Black, but I did not go very far in the analysis with Fritz. since this is a very tactical situation, it is rather unlikely that Fritz is wrong. If it were not time to go to bed, I could do a deeper analysis of this position with Fritz. Maybe tomorrow... Henri |
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Unbelievable!
Here is the full score of the game for those who do not have it: (2) Riumin,N - Belavenets,S [B10] URS-ch09 Leningrad, 1934 1.e4 c6 2.Nc3 d5 3.Nf3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Nd7 5.Bc4 Ngf6 6.Ng3 e6 7.Qe2 Be7 8.0–0 0–0 9.d4 Re8 10.Bb3 Bd6 11.Ne5 c5 12.c3 cxd4 13.cxd4 b6 14.Bg5 h6 15.Bf4 Qe7 16.Qf3 Ba6 17.Rfe1 Nf8 18.Nh5 Nxh5 19.Qxh5 Bb7 20.Qg4 Qf6 21.Re3 Rac8 22.Rae1 Red8 23.Rg3 Bb8 24.Bd2 a6 25.Qh5 Ng6 26.Bc3 Nf4 27.Qg4 h5 28.Qd1 Bxe5 29.Rxe5 Qxe5 30.dxe5 Rxd1+ 31.Bxd1 g6 32.Kf1 Bd5 33.Bb3 Bxb3 34.axb3 Nd5 35.Ke1 ½–½ "Henri H. Arsenault" wrote in message ... Kotov's "Think like a grandmaster!" is a great book with a lot of good advice, so it is amusing that I found the very first diagram explanation to be cooked not once, but twice: not only did Kotov miss the winning move, but the move he gives as correct leaves White with an inferior position! The position is 1brr1k1 1b3pp1 pp2pqnp 3P2Q 3P4 1B4R1 PP1B1PPP 4R1K1 Here Kotov is explaining how a grandmaster goes about analyzing a position to find the right move. I'm no grandmaster, but when I tried to guess the right move without looking, I convinced myself that Nxf7!! wins. But Kotov says that the only winning move is N-g4. I couldn't find a refutation of my move by Black, so I fired up Fritz8, and in about 3 seconds, Fritz came up with the evaluation that the only winning move for white is indeed Nxf7! Here is some of the analysis. 1.Ne5xf7 Qf6xf7 (...Kg8xf7 2.Re1xe6 and if Black does not take the Rook with the Queen, the discovered check will be fatal) (...Bb8xg3 2. Nf7xh6+ Kg8-f8 3. h2xg3 +- and White is a piece ahead with a strong attack) (Ng6-f4 2. Bb2xf4 Qf6xf4 3. Qh5-g6 and Black will have to give up the Queen to avoid checkmate) 2. Bb3xe6 wins the queen Kotov's analysis of 1. N-g4? is overlooks a saving move by Black. Kotov considers 1. N-g4 Q-h5 2. NxP+ K-f8 and after exchanging Queens, White wins. But he overlooked the response by Black 1...Qxd4!! 2. Ng4xh6+ Kg8-f8 =/+ that leaves Black with a slight advantage. It is rather extraordinary that the very first position in a classic book by a grandmaster supposedly explaining how to analyze a position gives a losing combination as winning, and fails to spot the winning combination, and even more extraordinary that the error was discovered by a quasi-patzer like me! Kotov does not say which grandmaster was analyzing the position in a tournament. When the book was first published, Kotov did not have a computer to analyze the position, but then I found the winning move without the help of a computer.True, I have been training my tactical acumen with CTArt 3.0, but I doubt that it has sharpenened my tactical abilities to grandmaster level in one week!... Henri Henri |
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Doesn't Soltis mention this position and cook in "The Inner Game of Chess?" ~herb -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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On 4 Sep 2004 07:53:35 -0500, Herb Wolfe wrote:
Doesn't Soltis mention this position and cook in "The Inner Game of Chess?" I don't know, I haven't seen that particular book, but I would not be surprised to find that someone else has seen the mistakes, since they have been in this popular book for over 30 years... So that is a good question, does anyone know of a specific reference where this cook has already been pointed out? Another interesting quetion is, if not, why have none of the hundreds (if not thousands) of readers of the book seen the move Nxf7? I would not be too surprised that no one has seen the ...Ng4 refutation ...Qxd4 because it is a very improbable-looking move, but 1. Nxf7 seems to me the first move that comes to mind when examining the position, because of the dangerous discovered check threat supported by the rook and bishop. Henri |
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