Bill Smythe wrote:


However, I have another concern. (Maybe I'll have more egg on my face
after
somebody explains this one.) What if, instead of 2...h4, black plays
2...b6?

1.Kd7 h5 2.Kc7 b6 3.Kc6 h4 4.Kd5 h3 5.Kc4 h2 6.Kb3 h1=Q 7.Kh4 with
the same idea as in the main variation.

3. a4 and White wins. The a or b-pawn queens first.

Claus-Juergen

.... 1.Kd7 h5 2.Kc7 b6 ....

"Claus-Jürgen Heigl" wrote:
3. a4 and White wins. The a or b-pawn queens first.

You're right, of course. I guess that puts this one to bed.

Bill Smythe

"Bill Smythe" wrote in message ...
White: Ke8, Pa2,b2,b4,b5
Black: Ka8, Pb7,h6
White to play and draw

1.Kd7 h5 2.Kc7 h4
3.Kb6 h3 4.Ka5 h2 (not 4...b6?! 5.Ka4!)
5. b6 h1=Q 6. b5 Qb1 7. a4 ....

I wrote:

However, I have another concern. (Maybe I'll have more egg on my face
after
somebody explains this one.) What if, instead of 2...h4, black plays
2...b6? The refutation suggested for the same idea at move 4 is not
available at move 2, and black still has plenty of time to queen the pawn.
....

Ooh, I do indeed have egg on my face (but I am hereby wiping it off myself).
In this variation white draws as follows:

1.Kd7 h5 2.Kc7 b6 3.Kc6 h4 4.Kd5 h3 5.Kc4 h2 6.Kb3 h1=Q 7.Kh4 with
the same idea as in the main variation.

Of course, if at any time black moves his king instead of pushing the
h-pawn, white still plays the same moves.

Bill Smythe

2...b6?? 3.a4 +-, as the WK controls the key squares for the b-pawn.

"Bill Brock" wrote:
2...b6?? 3.a4 +-, as the WK controls the key squares for the b-pawn.

I just noticed that my variation doesn't work anyway, because then black can
maneuver his queen to a7, and either force mate or win all the marbles.

Bill Smythe

How about:

Which of these players has "defeated Najdorf, Dzindzichashvili, Browne,
Benko, Polgars3, Kupchik, Edward Lasker and many other famous players" in
chess?

a. Tim Hanke
b. Jason Repa
c. Matt Nemmers
d. Pete Casso
e. Sam Sloan

On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 20:51:19 GMT, "fs" wrote:

How about:

Which of these players has "defeated Najdorf, Dzindzichashvili, Browne,
Benko, Polgars3, Kupchik, Edward Lasker and many other famous players" in
chess?

a. Tim Hanke
b. Jason Repa
c. Matt Nemmers
d. Pete Casso
e. Sam Sloan

I give up.

"Sam Sloan" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 20:51:19 GMT, "fs" wrote:

How about:

Which of these players has "defeated Najdorf, Dzindzichashvili, Browne,
Benko, Polgars3, Kupchik, Edward Lasker and many other famous players"
in
chess?

a. Tim Hanke
b. Jason Repa
c. Matt Nemmers
d. Pete Casso
e. Sam Sloan

I give up.

Don't give up so easily - would a hint help?

"fs" wrote in message news:X1fjd.1025$rx5.842@trnddc06...

"Sam Sloan" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 20:51:19 GMT, "fs" wrote:

How about:

Which of these players has "defeated Najdorf, Dzindzichashvili, Browne,
Benko, Polgars3, Kupchik, Edward Lasker and many other famous players"
in
chess?

a. Tim Hanke
b. Jason Repa
c. Matt Nemmers
d. Pete Casso
e. Sam Sloan

I give up.

Don't give up so easily - would a hint help?

1. g4

"StanB" wrote in message
...

"fs" wrote in message news:X1fjd.1025$rx5.842@trnddc06...

"Sam Sloan" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 20:51:19 GMT, "fs" wrote:

How about:

Which of these players has "defeated Najdorf, Dzindzichashvili,
Browne,
Benko, Polgars3, Kupchik, Edward Lasker and many other famous
players"
in
chess?

a. Tim Hanke
b. Jason Repa
c. Matt Nemmers
d. Pete Casso
e. Sam Sloan

I give up.

Don't give up so easily - would a hint help?

1. g4




What does the Orangutan have to do with this?? ;-)

P.S. To make the question more precise, it should have read "... famous
players in *at least one game* of chess.

"Bill Smythe" wrote in message ...
"Bill Brock" wrote:
2...b6?? 3.a4 +-, as the WK controls the key squares for the b-pawn.

I just noticed that my variation doesn't work anyway, because then black can
maneuver his queen to a7, and either force mate or win all the marbles.

Bill Smythe

Your idea was more interesting; a self-stalemate in which one has to
choose between frontdoor and backdoor routes, depending on the other
side's play.

Back to symmetrical positions.... It's not that hard to construct a
mutual zugzwang study won by crossing the center of the board
(Leverett); can we get pieces other than pawns to cross? (Trivial
variations after a traditional "last move of study" don't count.)