Question:

How best to play against this variation? Please demonstrate.

Thank you very much.

"Adventurous One" wrote in message
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Question:

How best to play against this variation? Please demonstrate.

Thank you very much.

is it not the same as e4 e6, d4 d5 Nd2 Ne7?

On 2004-10-23 07:35:04 +0200, (Adventurous
One) said:

Question:

How best to play against this variation? Please demonstrate.
Thank you very much.

2 .... Ne7 uses a tempo to misplace the knight. Black now has the
problem of how to get out Bf8. If he playes g6 he has got a hole on f6.
If not he will have to move the knight away from its bad position.

White can play anything and have a large advantage.

Black will play 3...Ng6 anyway, and then, 4...Be7. Could you be more specific here?



Jostein wrote in message ...
On 2004-10-23 07:35:04 +0200, (Adventurous
One) said:

Question:

How best to play against this variation? Please demonstrate.
Thank you very much.

2 .... Ne7 uses a tempo to misplace the knight. Black now has the
problem of how to get out Bf8. If he playes g6 he has got a hole on f6.
If not he will have to move the knight away from its bad position.

White can play anything and have a large advantage.

En/na Adventurous One ha escrit:

Black will play 3...Ng6 anyway, and then, 4...Be7. Could you be more specific here?

Jostein wrote in message ...

On 2004-10-23 07:35:04 +0200, (Adventurous
One) said:

Question:

How best to play against this variation? Please demonstrate.
Thank you very much.

2 .... Ne7 uses a tempo to misplace the knight. Black now has the
problem of how to get out Bf8. If he playes g6 he has got a hole on f6.
If not he will have to move the knight away from its bad position.

White can play anything and have a large advantage.

In that case I recommend: 1 d4 e6 2 e4 Ne7 3.Bf4 Ng6 4.Bc7 Be7 5.Bd8

Jokes apart, ... Ne7 is clearly a bad move but there is no forced mate
in less than 10 moves after it.

As a demostration a simple "counting development" shows it.

AT

Subject: 1 d4 e6 2 e4 Ne7 : HOW TO PLAY AGAINST THIS?

On 23 October 2004 (Adventurous One) asked in
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Question:

How best to play against this variation? Please demonstrate.

Thank you very much.


Bobby Fischer faced this variation when he played Russell Codman of Boston in
a 53-board simultaneous exhibition on May 10, 1964, at the Harvard Club in
Boston. Fischer lost the game - his only loss - not because of the variation
his opponent played, but because he blundered on the 17th move in a game that
he was clearly winning.

R. Fischer-R. Codman
May 10, 1964
Boston simul
1. e4 e6 2. d4 Ne7 3. Nc3 g6 4. h4 Bg7 5. h5 d5 6. h6 Bf8 7. Bg5 a6 8. Bf6 Rg8
9. Nf3 Nd7 10. e5 Nxf6 11. exf6 Nf5 12. g4 Qxf6 13. gxf5 Qxf5 14. Bd3 Qf4 15.
Rh4 Qf6 16. Qe2 Bd7 17. Ne5?? [Called for was 17. Nxd5! Qd8 18. Qe5.] 17...Qxh4
18. Qf3 f5 19. 0-0-0 Bxh6+ 20. Kb1 Qxd4 21. Qe2 Bg7 22. Nxd7 Kxd7 23. Bxf5 Qe5
(0-1)

George Mirijanian

On 24 Oct 2004 07:08:53 GMT, (Miriling) wrote:

R. Fischer-R. Codman
May 10, 1964
Boston simul
1. e4 e6 2. d4 Ne7 3. Nc3 g6 4. h4 Bg7 5. h5 d5 6. h6 Bf8 7. Bg5 a6 8. Bf6 Rg8
9. Nf3 Nd7 10. e5 Nxf6 11. exf6 Nf5 12. g4 Qxf6 13. gxf5 Qxf5 14. Bd3 Qf4 15.
Rh4 Qf6 16. Qe2 Bd7 17. Ne5 Qxh4 18. Qf3 f5 19. 0-0-0 Bxh6+ 20. Kb1 Qxd4
21. Qe2 Bg7 22. Nxd7 Kxd7 23. Bxf5 Qe5 0-1

Wow! Fischer lost to someone who played like THIS!? Even in a simul
it's quite extraordinary. I think my respect for his chess talent just
went down a notch.

--
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Chess problems, tactics, analysis and more.

He plays a !!!53!!! board simultaneous exhibition and only lost one.
I think my respect for his chess talent just went up a notch.


"Toni Lassila" schreef in bericht
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On 24 Oct 2004 07:08:53 GMT, (Miriling) wrote:

R. Fischer-R. Codman
May 10, 1964
Boston simul
1. e4 e6 2. d4 Ne7 3. Nc3 g6 4. h4 Bg7 5. h5 d5 6. h6 Bf8 7. Bg5 a6 8.
Bf6 Rg8
9. Nf3 Nd7 10. e5 Nxf6 11. exf6 Nf5 12. g4 Qxf6 13. gxf5 Qxf5 14. Bd3 Qf4
15.
Rh4 Qf6 16. Qe2 Bd7 17. Ne5 Qxh4 18. Qf3 f5 19. 0-0-0 Bxh6+ 20. Kb1 Qxd4
21. Qe2 Bg7 22. Nxd7 Kxd7 23. Bxf5 Qe5 0-1

Wow! Fischer lost to someone who played like THIS!? Even in a simul
it's quite extraordinary. I think my respect for his chess talent just
went down a notch.

--
King's Gambit - http://kingsgambit.blogspot.com
Chess problems, tactics, analysis and more.

I asked about the best way to play against 1 d4 e6 2 e4 Ne7 and all I
get is generalities. Come on... can you do better than that? What the
best plan for White?

1 d4 e6 2 e4 Ne7 3 Bc4 Ng6 ... and now what?

Or 3 h4!? Ng6 4 h5!?

You tell me.











"bruno de baenst" wrote in message ...
He plays a !!!53!!! board simultaneous exhibition and only lost one.
I think my respect for his chess talent just went up a notch.


"Toni Lassila" schreef in bericht
...
On 24 Oct 2004 07:08:53 GMT, (Miriling) wrote:

R. Fischer-R. Codman
May 10, 1964
Boston simul
1. e4 e6 2. d4 Ne7 3. Nc3 g6 4. h4 Bg7 5. h5 d5 6. h6 Bf8 7. Bg5 a6 8.
Bf6 Rg8
9. Nf3 Nd7 10. e5 Nxf6 11. exf6 Nf5 12. g4 Qxf6 13. gxf5 Qxf5 14. Bd3 Qf4
15.
Rh4 Qf6 16. Qe2 Bd7 17. Ne5 Qxh4 18. Qf3 f5 19. 0-0-0 Bxh6+ 20. Kb1 Qxd4
21. Qe2 Bg7 22. Nxd7 Kxd7 23. Bxf5 Qe5 0-1

Wow! Fischer lost to someone who played like THIS!? Even in a simul
it's quite extraordinary. I think my respect for his chess talent just
went down a notch.

--
King's Gambit - http://kingsgambit.blogspot.com
Chess problems, tactics, analysis and more.

"Adventurous One" wrote in message
m...
I asked about the best way to play against 1 d4 e6 2 e4 Ne7 and all I
get is generalities. Come on... can you do better than that? What the
best plan for White?

1 d4 e6 2 e4 Ne7 3 Bc4 Ng6 ... and now what?

Or 3 h4!? Ng6 4 h5!?

You tell me.

Is this a quiz or were you asking for help?
I play the french and 2...Ne7 is not in any book I know, at this point black
is behind in space , development and time, so many classic plans to
capitalise on this situation should suffice.