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Old August 20th 03, 05:18 AM
Hans Meier
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This is a 20-min game. I was White. My opponent is rated 1730, I am 1600.
Very good game I think.

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 d6 6. Bb5
Bd7 7. O-O e6 8. Re1 Be7 9. Bxc6 bxc6 10. f4 O-O 11. Kh1 Rb8
12. e5 Nd5 13. Nxd5 cxd5 14. Re3 Qc7 15. Qh5 dxe5 16. fxe5 Qc4
17. Rd3 Bc5 18. Nb3 Bb6 19. Bh6 g6 20. Qf3 Qh4 21. Bxf8 Kxf8
22. Rf1 Qe7 23. Qf4 Bb5 24. Qh6+ Kg8 25. Rh3 f5 26. exf6 Qf7
27. Rff3 Bc7 28. Rh4 Be5 29. Rfh3 Qxf6 30. Qxh7+ Kf8 31. Qh8+
Qxh8 32. Rxh8+ Ke7 33. R3h7+ Kf6 34. Rxb8 Bxb8 35. Nc5 e5 1-0


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Old August 20th 03, 08:20 AM
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In article ,
"Hans Meier" wrote:

This is a 20-min game. I was White. My opponent is rated 1730, I am 1600.
Very good game I think.


As always, just my quick thoughts. I make plenty of mistakes in my own
games, so there's no reason to think I'm not making them in yours.


1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 d6 6. Bb5
Bd7 7. O-O e6 8. Re1 Be7 9. Bxc6 bxc6


I hate Bf1-b5xc6 in this position. All you do is strengthen black's
control of d5, which can often be a weak spot, and give him the bishop
pair.

10. f4 O-O 11. Kh1 Rb8


Black misses a major opportunity here to play -e5 himself. This move
secures black's center, and, thanks to Bxc6, doesn't leave a gaping hole
on d5 (the usually problem with e5 in the sicilian). Black's not afraid
of the pawn exchange because he has the bishop pair. Best for white is
probably Nf5, because it takes away black's bishop pair.

12. e5 Nd5 13. Nxd5 cxd5 14. Re3 Qc7


Sort of a rote move in this position. Black isn't paying much attention
to white's threats.

15. Qh5 dxe5 16. fxe5 Qc4
17. Rd3 Bc5 18. Nb3 Bb6 19. Bh6 g6


A very poor move on black's part, IMHO. This will be forced soon enough
anyway. He should take this time to improve the position of one of his
other pieces.

20. Qf3 Qh4 21. Bxf8 Kxf8
22. Rf1 Qe7 23. Qf4 Bb5 24. Qh6+ Kg8


A rather huge mistake, as it allows black to save his exchange. Ke8 was
neccesary.


25. Rh3 f5 26. exf6 Qf7
27. Rff3 Bc7 28. Rh4 Be5 29. Rfh3 Qxf6


The worst mistake yet. Rb7 keeps things interesting. After this it's
bascially all over.

30. Qxh7+ Kf8 31. Qh8+
Qxh8 32. Rxh8+ Ke7 33. R3h7+ Kf6 34. Rxb8 Bxb8 35. Nc5 e5 1-0


White misses 35.Rb7 which is totally decisive. After 35.Nc5 black could
play on with hopes of turning his passed e-pawn into something. White
should still win, of course, but in a rapid game between players of your
level I'm not sure if this is a resigning position, as black's material
deficit is made up for by his much more active king-- this is a position
that's got "play for a swindle" written all over it.
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Old August 20th 03, 08:20 AM
mister P
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"Hans Meier" schreef in bericht
...
This is a 20-min game. I was White. My opponent is rated 1730, I am 1600.
Very good game I think.

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 d6 6. Bb5
Bd7 7. O-O e6 8. Re1 Be7 9. Bxc6 bxc6 10. f4

how about e5 here?

O-O 11. Kh1 Rb8
12. e5 Nd5 13. Nxd5 cxd5 14. Re3 Qc7 15. Qh5 dxe5 16. fxe5 Qc4
17. Rd3 Bc5 18. Nb3 Bb6

not seeing the danger ahead: better would probably be Qxc2 threatening the
rook
19. Bh6 !!
good one!
g6 20. Qf3 Qh4 21. Bxf8 Kxf8
22. Rf1 Qe7 23. Qf4 Bb5 24. Qh6+ Kg8 25. Rh3 f5 26. exf6 Qf7
27. Rff3 Bc7 28. Rh4 Be5 29. Rfh3 Qxf6 30. Qxh7+ Kf8 31. Qh8+
Qxh8 32. Rxh8+ Ke7 33. R3h7+ Kf6 34. Rxb8 Bxb8 35. Nc5 e5 1-0



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Old August 20th 03, 09:00 AM
Hans Meier
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not seeing the danger ahead: better would probably be Qxc2 threatening the
rook


Qxc3 leads to the same threat. It follows 19. Nxc5 Qxc5 20. Bh6


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Old August 20th 03, 09:16 AM
Hans Meier
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15. Qh5 dxe5 16. fxe5 Qc4
17. Rd3 Bc5 18. Nb3 Bb6 19. Bh6 g6


A very poor move on black's part, IMHO. This will be forced soon enough
anyway. He should take this time to improve the position of one of his
other pieces.


Which move do you suggest instead of g6?
The computer plays g6, too.


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Old August 20th 03, 12:30 PM
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oops! sorry! brainfart! you are right, at least Qxc2 wins a pawn :-)
better try f6 than

g6 is a wrong move I think, i don't know what program you ran on it, but
fritz suggests f6 instead, even better if played on move 17 or 18;
after this it doesn't seem to be a clear win for white

not seeing the danger ahead: better would probably be Qxc2 threatening

the
rook


Qxc3 leads to the same threat. It follows 19. Nxc5 Qxc5 20. Bh6




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Old August 20th 03, 01:56 PM
Neil Cerutti
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In article , Ron wrote:
In article ,
"Hans Meier" wrote:

This is a 20-min game. I was White. My opponent is rated 1730, I am 1600.
Very good game I think.


As always, just my quick thoughts. I make plenty of mistakes in my own
games, so there's no reason to think I'm not making them in yours.


1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 d6 6. Bb5
Bd7 7. O-O e6 8. Re1 Be7 9. Bxc6 bxc6


I hate Bf1-b5xc6 in this position. All you do is strengthen black's
control of d5, which can often be a weak spot, and give him the bishop
pair.

10. f4 O-O 11. Kh1 Rb8


Black misses a major opportunity here to play -e5 himself. This move
secures black's center, and, thanks to Bxc6, doesn't leave a gaping hole
on d5 (the usually problem with e5 in the sicilian). Black's not afraid
of the pawn exchange because he has the bishop pair. Best for white is
probably Nf5, because it takes away black's bishop pair.

12. e5 Nd5 13. Nxd5 cxd5 14. Re3 Qc7


Sort of a rote move in this position. Black isn't paying much attention
to white's threats.

15. Qh5 dxe5 16. fxe5 Qc4
17. Rd3 Bc5 18. Nb3 Bb6 19. Bh6 g6


A very poor move on black's part, IMHO. This will be forced soon enough
anyway. He should take this time to improve the position of one of his
other pieces.

20. Qf3 Qh4 21. Bxf8 Kxf8
22. Rf1 Qe7 23. Qf4 Bb5 24. Qh6+ Kg8


A rather huge mistake, as it allows black to save his exchange. Ke8 was
neccesary.


25. Rh3 f5 26. exf6 Qf7
27. Rff3 Bc7 28. Rh4 Be5 29. Rfh3 Qxf6


The worst mistake yet. Rb7 keeps things interesting. After this
it's bascially all over.

30. Qxh7+ Kf8 31. Qh8+


Hans missed a chance to pin and win the Queen with 31. Rf3.

--
Neil Cerutti
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Old August 20th 03, 03:09 PM
Hans Meier
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This is why 19... f6 is worse than g6:

20. Rg3 Rf7 21. exf6 Qxc2 22. Bxg7 Bc7 23. Rc1 Qxc1+ 24. Nxc1 Bxg3 25. hxg3
Rxg7 26. fxg7 Rxb2
After this line white is clearly in advance.

oops! sorry! brainfart! you are right, at least Qxc2 wins a pawn :-)
better try f6 than

g6 is a wrong move I think, i don't know what program you ran on it, but
fritz suggests f6 instead, even better if played on move 17 or 18;
after this it doesn't seem to be a clear win for white

not seeing the danger ahead: better would probably be Qxc2 threatening

the
rook


Qxc3 leads to the same threat. It follows 19. Nxc5 Qxc5 20. Bh6






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Old August 20th 03, 03:25 PM
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Hans Meier wrote:

This is a 20-min game. I was White. My opponent is rated 1730, I am 1600.
Very good game I think.

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 d6 6. Bb5[This doesn't
have much real bite. Bg5 is probably the sharpest along with Bc4. I suppose
Be2 (followed mostly by either...e5 or...e6 lead to normal positions. White
shouldn't give up a Bishop so glibly.]
Bd7 7. O-O e6 [...e5 is good too. 7.Nxc6 only improves Black's center] 8.
Re1 [This is OK, but does the Rook clearly belong on the e-file?] Be7 [Nxd4
to swap two pieces is possible, not necessarily better.] 9. Bxc6 [This
seems premature. White's Bishop should be at least as valuable in Black's
Knight.] bxc6 [Now Black can play ...e5 as the hole on d5 is covered.] 10.
f4 [This type of attack often works better if the Rook were on f1 instead
of e1.] O-O [There's no hurry with this yet. Qb6 (to pin down the Queen's
Bishop and threaten the Knight) is a bit more active.] 11. Kh1 [This
removes the King from the a7-g1 diagonal which is useful in these types of
positions, but Be3 covering the diagonal, bolstering the Knight, and
freeing the Rook seems better.] Rb8 [There's no target for the Rook here.
Perhaps ...c5 followed by Bc6 is a better plan, or even ...e5. Black is at
least as well developed as White. Even ...Qb6 is better than the Rook
move.]
12. e5 Nd5 [swapping Pawns first may be better. The idea is to isolate
White's e5 Pawn and take advantage of the lack of a Rook on the f-file.]
13. Nxd5 [Ne4 avoiding the trade looks a bit better. Black is a little
cramped so White may wish to keep more pieces on the board. With a slight
space advantage, White probably ought to attack so keeping pieces isn't a
bad idea. ] cxd5 [Black's Pawn structure is a bit better.] 14. Re3 Qc7
[Given the Pawn structure and Black's Two Bishops, Black should try for an
endgame.]15. Qh5 dxe5 [(?)...Qc4 immediately is better. White can't play
e5xd6 profitably so why open up the c1h6 diagonal?.] 16. fxe5 [Now Rh3 and
after 16... h6, 17.fxe5 Qc4 18.Rd3, White has the threat of Bxh6.] Qc4
17. Rd3 Bc5 [...Qb4 first is possible. ...Rfc8 also isn't bad.] 18. Nb3 Bb6
[(?)...Bf2 stops Whites' next, then after 19.Qe2 Bb6. It's like comedy,
timing, timing, timing.] 19. Bh6[ A nice shot.] g6 [Also...f5 is possible.
This gives up the exchange for nothing.] 20. Qf3 Qh4 21. Bxf8 Kxf8
22. Rf1 Qe7 23. Qf4 Bb5 24. Qh6+ Kg8 25. Rh3 f5 26. exf6 Qf7
27. Rff3 Bc7 28. Rh4 Be5 29. Rfh3 Qxf6 30. Qxh7+ Kf8 31. Qh8+
Qxh8 32. Rxh8+ Ke7 33. R3h7+ Kf6 34. Rxb8 Bxb8 35. Nc5 e5 1-0


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Old August 20th 03, 04:09 PM
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19. Bh6[ A nice shot.] g6 [Also...f5 is possible.
This gives up the exchange for nothing.]


f5 looses badly.
20. Bxg7 Be8 21. Qg5 Bd8 22. Qh6 Rf7 23. Bf6 Bxf6 24. exf6 Kh8 25. Rg3 Qc7
26. Nc5


 




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