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Survey: what do you play vs. 1.Nc3?



 
 
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Old August 20th 03, 07:08 PM
chicagochess2003
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Default Survey: what do you play vs. 1.Nc3?

Just curious how people work a reply to this uncommon but not
ridiculous opening move into their repertoires as Black. Do French
Defense players stick to 1.Nc3 e6, for example? I know there are many
lines after 1.Nc3 c5 that transpose back to the Sicilian. If you don't
play 1.d4 d5, is there any reason to shy away from 1.Nc3 d5? You'd
have to be prepared for the Veresov. On the other hand, 1.Nc3 Nf6 2.e4
has its own bag of tricks.
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Old August 27th 03, 12:18 AM
LeModernCaveman
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Default Survey: what do you play vs. 1.Nc3?

Whenever possible or practical, I believe 1...e5 would be correct, as most
openings for White prevent this move. The only exception is 1 c4, against
which I play 1...c5 because of the transpositional advantage it gives me (I go
into a line of the Symmetrical English that can be reached six (!) ways).


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Old August 27th 03, 01:18 PM
henri Arsenault
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Default Survey: what do you play vs. 1.Nc3?

Almost anything except d4...

This opening could transpose into anything except openings where White
plays an early c4, thus excluding the Queen Gambit and its relatives.

I might play the generic g6.If you prefer King pawn openings, play e5
and hope for 2.e4.

Henri
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Old August 27th 03, 05:13 PM
Tobi Usher
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Default Survey: what do you play vs. 1.Nc3?

"henri Arsenault" wrote

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I might play the generic g6.If you prefer King pawn openings, play e5
and hope for 2.e4.

Henri



You will hope in vain. 1.Nc3 players invariably answer 1...e5 with 2.Nf3 and
if 2...Nc6, then 3.d4 exd4 4.Nxd4. From this position there are all kinds of
tricky variation where White postpones or even omits e2-e4. In his recent
book about 1.Nc3, Harald Keilhack states that 1...e5 is "the best thing that
can happen to the 1.Nc3 player".

If you prefer King pawn openings, play 1...Nf6! and after 2.e4, only then
2...e5.

Tobi



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Old August 27th 03, 08:07 PM
Joerg Moormann
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Default Survey: what do you play vs. 1.Nc3?

You will hope in vain. 1.Nc3 players invariably answer 1...e5 with 2.Nf3 and
if 2...Nc6, then 3.d4 exd4 4.Nxd4. From this position there are all kinds of
tricky variation where White postpones or even omits e2-e4. In his recent
book about 1.Nc3, Harald Keilhack states that 1...e5 is "the best thing that
can happen to the 1.Nc3 player".

If you prefer King pawn openings, play 1...Nf6! and after 2.e4, only then
2...e5.


Yes, absolutely right. I played this opening lots of years ago. Best
thing that could happen was my opponent played e5. What I didnt like
was 1... d5. I for one played 2.e4. After 2... Nf6 it is Alkehine,
thats okay for me, but 2... d4 was not what I wanted. Black has some
weak white squares, but after Be6 (as soon as possible), Black is
okay.

BTW: After 1... f5 you can be sure of 2.e4, 3.d3 (like Froms Gambit)
and 1... c5 will be played without e4, too.

I give you a line which I found in a German magazin an I saved in
chessbase in 1990, but there are a lot of mistakes. Fritz can find
lots of improvements, but it shows you what White wants to play:


[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "1985.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "NN"]
[Black "NN"]
[Result "*"]

1. Nc3 (1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5. Nf5 $2 d5 $1 6.
Nxg7+ Kf8
7. Nh5 Qh4 8. Ng3 Nf6 9. Be2 (9. exd5 $2 Bg4 10. f3 Re8+ 11. Be2 Nd4
12. Na3
Bxf3 13. gxf3 Nxf3+ 14. Kf1 Qh3# {Minchin-Soyres, Frankreich 1874})
9... Ne5
10. h3 Rg8 $36) 1... e5 2. Nf3 $5 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 $5 5. Nf5
$1 Qf6 (
5... d5 $2 6. Nxg7+ Kf8 7. Nh5 Qh4 8. Ng3 Nf6 9. e3 $16 {Die
Pointe!!}) 6. e4
$1 Nge7 7. Ne3 O-O 8. Bd3 $5 (8. g3 $1 {Ljubojevic-Karpov - 27/269})
8... d6 9.
O-O Ng6 $2 (9... Ne5 10. Kh1 c6 11. f4 Nxd3 12. cxd3 $14) 10. Ncd5 Qd8
11. Nf5
$1 Bxf5 $6 12. exf5 Nge5 13. f6 $16 gxf6 14. Bf5 Nd4 15. Qh5 Ng6 16.
Re1 {
/\ Ne7+} Nxf5 17. Qxf5 Kg7 18. Re7 $1 Bd4 (18... Nxe7 19. Qxf6+ Kg8
20. Bh6 Nf5
21. Qxf5 $18) 19. Rxc7 Re8 20. Bg5 $1 {/\ Rd7} *

Greetings
Joerg
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Old August 28th 03, 06:24 AM
King Leopold
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Default Survey: what do you play vs. 1.Nc3?

Since I play the Chigorin Defense to 1.d4 and the nimzowitsch Defense to
1.e4 I answer 1.Nc3 with 1...Nc6
Leopold


"chicagochess2003" wrote in message
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Just curious how people work a reply to this uncommon but not
ridiculous opening move into their repertoires as Black. Do French
Defense players stick to 1.Nc3 e6, for example? I know there are many
lines after 1.Nc3 c5 that transpose back to the Sicilian. If you don't
play 1.d4 d5, is there any reason to shy away from 1.Nc3 d5? You'd
have to be prepared for the Veresov. On the other hand, 1.Nc3 Nf6 2.e4
has its own bag of tricks.



 




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