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Old October 20th 06, 08:02 PM posted to rec.games.chess.analysis
Vasileios Zografos
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Default Help with position evaluation

Hi there,
I need some help with evaluating game positions in general. Although my
opening is adequate (its doesnt matter really because I play online
games where I can use the opening book) and my endgame is pretty good,
my middlegame suffers.

Very often, after say 15-20 moves I reach a position and I dont really
know what to move next. It happens all the time. I always though that
strategically, a good middlegame should lead you to an endgame with some
advantage (i.e. piece advantage, better pawn structure, positional
advantage). I think the reason for this is that I cannod adequately
evaluate a give position in the middle game. Take for example the
following position from one of my current games:

4r1kq/bpp1nb2/p5p1/2P2pPp/1P1NpP1P/4P3/3N2B1/R3Q1K1 b - - 0 31


Now, black has a pawn advantage. Maybe a little better pawn structure?
The white's bishop and the black's bishop are pretty much locked inside
the pawn. Also the black's bishop and queen control the two open
diagonals but black's king is exposed somewhat.

This is my evaluation of the position for both and I think black has a
slight advantage. Can someone offer their own evaluation please and help
me to understand these kinds of positions.

How do you evaluate a middlegame position in general?

Thanks
V.

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Old October 21st 06, 05:36 AM posted to rec.games.chess.analysis
Ed Seedhouse
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Default Help with position evaluation

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:02:37 +0100, Vasileios Zografos
wrote:

Hi there,
I need some help with evaluating game positions in general. Although my
opening is adequate (its doesnt matter really because I play online
games where I can use the opening book) and my endgame is pretty good,
my middlegame suffers.


There are books and books about it, of course. But the main thing is to
practice and then test your judgements after the game. During the game,
evaluate positions. After the game subject your judgements to analysis
and modify your evaluation process accordingly. Sorry but there is no
royal road to chess judgement, or any other form of judgement for that
matter.

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Old October 21st 06, 11:18 AM posted to rec.games.chess.analysis
Sanny
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Default Chess is Learnt by Practise.

Chess is not a book you can memorize all rules and win. It comes by
Practise.

Play 40-50 Games a month at http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

And soon you will find your Middle game improved many times.

First Start beating the Beginner Level

Once you start winning the Beginner Level set upwards to Easy, Normal

And If you become very good then Try playing with Master Level.

Your game will be recorded So you can analyze where you made mistake in
that game.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

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Old October 23rd 06, 08:54 AM posted to rec.games.chess.analysis
chess
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Default Help with position evaluation


Vasileios Zografos wrote:
Hi there,
I need some help with evaluating game positions in general. Although my
opening is adequate (its doesnt matter really because I play online
games where I can use the opening book) and my endgame is pretty good,
my middlegame suffers.


I know this is off topic but reading your post I had to point out that
using books for the first 10/12 moves and being good at the last moves
(maybe 5/6) explain why you feel imprepared in what you call the
middlegame.

And it's not that fair playing online games with a book!

Regards.

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Old October 23rd 06, 02:22 PM posted to rec.games.chess.analysis
Vasileios Zografos
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Default Help with position evaluation



And it's not that fair playing online games with a book!

Regards.


That is your opinion.
But where I play, everyone is using an opening book to play. So actually
it is more than fair and keeps everything balanced.

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Old October 23rd 06, 02:58 PM posted to rec.games.chess.analysis
Terry
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"Vasileios Zografos" wrote in message
.. .


And it's not that fair playing online games with a book!

Regards.


That is your opinion.
But where I play, everyone is using an opening book to play. So actually
it is more than fair and keeps everything balanced.


It is not an opinion - It is downright cheating.



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Old October 23rd 06, 03:56 PM posted to rec.games.chess.analysis
Vasileios Zografos
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Default Help with position evaluation

Terry wrote:
"Vasileios Zografos" wrote in message
.. .
And it's not that fair playing online games with a book!

Regards.

That is your opinion.
But where I play, everyone is using an opening book to play. So actually
it is more than fair and keeps everything balanced.


It is not an opinion - It is downright cheating.



No it is not. And you are wrong. Chess books and game/move databases are
allowed as they are permitted in correspondence chess too. Everyone who
plays (where I do) plays under correspondence chess rules and knows
these rules and accepted them beforehand.

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Old October 24th 06, 12:20 PM posted to rec.games.chess.analysis
markgravitygood@gmail.com
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Default Help with position evaluation

Vasileios Zografos wrote:
Hi there,
I need some help with evaluating game positions in general. Although my
opening is adequate (its doesnt matter really because I play online
games where I can use the opening book) and my endgame is pretty good,
my middlegame suffers.

Very often, after say 15-20 moves I reach a position and I dont really
know what to move next. It happens all the time. I always though that
strategically, a good middlegame should lead you to an endgame with some
advantage (i.e. piece advantage, better pawn structure, positional
advantage). I think the reason for this is that I cannod adequately
evaluate a give position in the middle game. Take for example the
following position from one of my current games:

4r1kq/bpp1nb2/p5p1/2P2pPp/1P1NpP1P/4P3/3N2B1/R3Q1K1 b - - 0 31


Now, black has a pawn advantage. Maybe a little better pawn structure?
The white's bishop and the black's bishop are pretty much locked inside
the pawn. Also the black's bishop and queen control the two open
diagonals but black's king is exposed somewhat.

This is my evaluation of the position for both and I think black has a
slight advantage. Can someone offer their own evaluation please and help
me to understand these kinds of positions.

How do you evaluate a middlegame position in general?

Thanks
V.

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1) Unless it is a stated correspondence game, using a book is cheating,
so stop.

2) Of course, your fault in your game is first and foremost your lack
of ability to formulate a plan. Without a plan, reasonable evaluations
are not possible, and play tends to drift. Therefore, I would recommend
Jeremy Silman's books Reassess your Chess and The Amateurs Mind. I
would also recommend going over well-annotated games (Not Informant
Style -those are ****. You want annotated games that give you concepts
and ideas in plain language - Botvinniks Best Games, Alekhines best
games, etc.) that are in your opening repertoire, and go over no more
than two a night (saturation effect). This gives you: 1) some opening
ideas/preparation 2) shows transitions into the middlegame (your stated
problem) 3) gives you endgames that derive from your openings. What's
important is to VISUALIZE the annotated variations in your head - do
NOT move the pieces! Keep practicing and practicing looking over these
well-annotated games, and you will improve.

It's the way of the stone.

I would say that black could win this position 7 out of 10 times
against equal opposition, the other three being a draw. He has a
winning advantage that he must convert.

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Old October 24th 06, 04:05 PM posted to rec.games.chess.analysis
Ivan Baricevic
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Default Help with position evaluation


"Vasileios Zografos" wrote in message
.. .
Terry wrote:
"Vasileios Zografos" wrote in message
.. .
And it's not that fair playing online games with a book!

Regards.

That is your opinion.
But where I play, everyone is using an opening book to play. So

actually
it is more than fair and keeps everything balanced.


It is not an opinion - It is downright cheating.



No it is not. And you are wrong. Chess books and game/move databases are
allowed as they are permitted in correspondence chess too. Everyone who
plays (where I do) plays under correspondence chess rules and knows
these rules and accepted them beforehand.

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Well, you can just keep being a smart ass and learn nothing or you can
listen to these usenet guys and improve your ability to evaluate better. You
say using a book is not cheating. Well, ok, good luck with it but you can't
expect to understand middlegame concepts if you don't know concepts from the
opening and why you played certain moves. If you don't follow the book and
you try to play the best move on your own, you will know how to avoid
positions that are hard for you to play. Then you will get to the positions
you are familiar with and which you can easily evaluate.


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Old October 24th 06, 04:51 PM posted to rec.games.chess.analysis
Terry
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Default Help with position evaluation


"Ivan Baricevic" wrote in message
...

"Vasileios Zografos" wrote in message
.. .
Terry wrote:
"Vasileios Zografos" wrote in message
.. .
And it's not that fair playing online games with a book!

Regards.

That is your opinion.
But where I play, everyone is using an opening book to play. So

actually
it is more than fair and keeps everything balanced.


It is not an opinion - It is downright cheating.



No it is not. And you are wrong. Chess books and game/move databases are
allowed as they are permitted in correspondence chess too. Everyone who
plays (where I do) plays under correspondence chess rules and knows
these rules and accepted them beforehand.

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com


Well, you can just keep being a smart ass and learn nothing or you can
listen to these usenet guys and improve your ability to evaluate better.
You
say using a book is not cheating. Well, ok, good luck with it but you
can't
expect to understand middlegame concepts if you don't know concepts from
the
opening and why you played certain moves. If you don't follow the book and
you try to play the best move on your own, you will know how to avoid
positions that are hard for you to play. Then you will get to the
positions
you are familiar with and which you can easily evaluate.



Agreed.

Regards


 




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