On 2006-12-11, Sanny wrote:

If you don't know whether it is playing fast or not, why do you
make the spurious claim that it is?

I just resumed a game (easy level) I started a day or two ago; I
have been waiting 15 minutes for it to move.

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Looking at the recorded games I based my descision about time taken.

http://www.getclub.com/cc/showgame.php?num=10 and see the recorded
games. They are playing quite fast. And now the computer is winning
weak opponents.

The times shown there bear no relation to the time taken in the
game. If you are using that as a basis for everything, no wonder
you keep posting rubbish.

For very complex position it may think longer but I do not think it
will ever think for more than 15 minutes.

20 and 30 minutes and even longer are not unusual on easy level.

....
This is roughly the time in which the game will play. Only is very
complex position will they go beyond Maximum time.

For your program, every position is very complicated.

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Chris F.A. Johnson http://cfaj.freeshell.org
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Author:
Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)

Looking at the recorded games I based my descision about time taken.

http://www.getclub.com/cc/showgame.php?num=10 and see the recorded
games. They are playing quite fast. And now the computer is winning
weak opponents.

The times shown there bear no relation to the time taken in the
game. If you are using that as a basis for everything, no wonder
you keep posting rubbish.


Time Shown in Recorded Game are Correct to +/- 1 Second. There may be
just a difference of only 1 second from the time shown Not more than
that. As it uses the System clock to record number of seconds it takes
to make a move.

You can see Opening Moves are made in 0 seconds as they are produced
instantaniously, While other moves with Beginner Level takes 10-20
Seconds.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

On 2006-12-11, Sanny wrote:
Looking at the recorded games I based my descision about time taken.

http://www.getclub.com/cc/showgame.php?num=10 and see the recorded
games. They are playing quite fast. And now the computer is winning
weak opponents.

The times shown there bear no relation to the time taken in the
game. If you are using that as a basis for everything, no wonder
you keep posting rubbish.


Time Shown in Recorded Game are Correct to +/- 1 Second.

Where are those "recorded times"? They don't appear anywhere that
I can see.

There may be just a difference of only 1 second from the time shown
Not more than that. As it uses the System clock to record number of
seconds it takes to make a move.

The program does not play anywhere near that speed. What is it (or
what do you think it is) timing? Is it recording CPU time? That is
only a fraction of real time.

Are you basing the timings on the time it takes to play back the
game? If so, why does it take that long to replay a move that has
already been made?

You can see Opening Moves are made in 0 seconds as they are produced
instantaniously, While other moves with Beginner Level takes 10-20
Seconds.



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Chris F.A. Johnson http://cfaj.freeshell.org
================================================== =================
Author:
Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)

Time Shown in Recorded Game are Correct to +/- 1 Second.

Where are those "recorded times"? They don't appear anywhere that
I can see.

Now on you can see the Time at Bottom Right Corner of the Screen
telling how much time has elapsed for this move.


There may be just a difference of only 1 second from the time shown
Not more than that. As it uses the System clock to record number of
seconds it takes to make a move.

The program does not play anywhere near that speed. What is it (or
what do you think it is) timing? Is it recording CPU time? That is
only a fraction of real time.

You can see the Seconds counter which updates every 2 seconds.


You can see Opening Moves are made in 0 seconds as they are produced
instantaniously, While other moves with Beginner Level takes 10-20
Seconds.

That's it.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:

This is roughly the time in which the game will play. Only is very
complex position will they go beyond Maximum time.

For your program, every position is very complicated.

OUCH!

Indeed, what Sanny seems to be missing is the fact
that his program quite often goes retrograde in its
analysis, stepping say, from 1, to 2, to 3, to 4, then
back to 3, then maybe 4 and 5, then back to 2, plies
search depth, as displayed in the game window. This
results in a massive loss of time for the user, all
wasted due to some flaw in the program. Were it not
for this problem, the program could very well perform
something like what Sanny claims -- maybe.

Currently, I am playing Advance level, and although
while inside of McDonald's I was able to make some
headway, now that I am accessing their wireless
service from outside the building (they are closed
late at night), and now that the position has reached
a complex middlegame, I am unable to make any
headway. The program simply goes up and back
repeatedly, never getting to the point where it actually
plays a move. I have observed it for hours at a time
(while doing other things, of course), never getting
past the 5th ply and frequently reverting to lower
numbers like two or three plys. Whatever Sanny
claims, I believe this is *somehow* related to the
internet connection, since the degree to which I
have this trouble correlates with my connection
quality. It has been months since I first pointed
this problem out, to no avail.

-- help bot

Currently, I am playing Advance level, and although
while inside of McDonald's I was able to make some
headway, now that I am accessing their wireless
service from outside the building (they are closed
late at night), and now that the position has reached
a complex middlegame, I am unable to make any
headway. The program simply goes up and back

Better you would have tried Master and Normal Level. Advance level is
the toughest Level. Even Master takes lot of time to make strong moves.
But Advance is not good if you want to finish a game in a day.

Advance level game will take 3-4 days to finish a game. (Adviced not to
play)

Master Level can be finished in a day. (Tough Competition)

Normal Level can be finished in 3 hours. (very hard)

Easy Level can be finished in 1.5 hours (tough fight)

Beginner Level can be finished in 30-40 min (good game)

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Sanny wrote:

Currently, I am playing Advance level, and although
while inside of McDonald's I was able to make some
headway, now that I am accessing their wireless
service from outside the building (they are closed
late at night), and now that the position has reached
a complex middlegame, I am unable to make any
headway. The program simply goes up and back

Better you would have tried Master and Normal Level. Advance level is
the toughest Level. Even Master takes lot of time to make strong moves.
But Advance is not good if you want to finish a game in a day.


My mistake. I am actually playing the Master level,
not Advance. I got tired of winning easily against the
lower levels, and all this talk about how the program
is faster now got me thinking I could move up a notch
and still be okay timewise. I did step up one level at
a time, and I did notice an improvement in speed
until this latest game.


Advance level game will take 3-4 days to finish a game. (Adviced not to
play)

Master Level can be finished in a day. (Tough Competition)

Normal Level can be finished in 3 hours. (very hard)

Easy Level can be finished in 1.5 hours (tough fight)

Beginner Level can be finished in 30-40 min (good game)

These numbers seem correct were it not for the
retro-analysis problem, where considerable time is
squandered for nothing. At times, such as when I
have had a particularly good internet connection, I
have seen the program make decent progress as
noted above.
I have also noticed a recent improvement in the
*displayed* (no guarantees here) search depth, on
every level I have played. Eventually, I expect to
have WiMax in place of WiFi, and perhaps this
problem of mine will simply evaporate into thin air.
Until then, I must limit my playing time due to the
fact that this chess program eats my battery
power like mad, while often as not, making no
particular progress.

-- help bot

Better you would have tried Master and Normal Level. Advance level is
the toughest Level. Even Master takes lot of time to make strong moves.
But Advance is not good if you want to finish a game in a day.


My mistake. I am actually playing the Master level,
not Advance. I got tired of winning easily against the
lower levels, and all this talk about how the program
is faster now got me thinking I could move up a notch
and still be okay timewise. I did step up one level at
a time, and I did notice an improvement in speed
until this latest game.


Yes everyone will see this speed improvement.


I have also noticed a recent improvement in the
*displayed* (no guarantees here) search depth, on
every level I have played. Eventually, I expect to
have WiMax in place of WiFi, and perhaps this
problem of mine will simply evaporate into thin air.
Until then, I must limit my playing time due to the
fact that this chess program eats my battery
power like mad, while often as not, making no
particular progress.

Do not worry about Level going up and down as it is programmed that
way. Internet Connection is needed only when the computer is making
moves and it does not effect game speed. You may disconnect for
sometime and reconnect when you are about to make move without any
problem.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Sanny wrote:
With support of Players the game keep developing and today it is
better than any other chess engine.

Sanny, you are pathetic. Did you ever inform yourself about the current
status of chess programming? Did you ever run your program against
other programs like Fritz, Shredder or at least free programs like
Crafty or Fruit? Let them play one, ten, hundred games. If your program
would win or at least draw a single game against one of those programs,
I would be very surprised. The fact that average tournament players
easily beat your program, while Fritz 10 just has convincingly beaten
the world champion should give you a hint, that it is pure nonsense to
call your engine "good" or even "better than any other chess engine".

I can somehow understand, that you want to generate some interest in
your business, but this is becoming ridiciluos.

Greetings,
Ralf

On 2006-12-11, Sanny wrote:

Time Shown in Recorded Game are Correct to +/- 1 Second.

Where are those "recorded times"? They don't appear anywhere that
I can see.

Now on you can see the Time at Bottom Right Corner of the Screen
telling how much time has elapsed for this move.

No I cannot. There is nothing there.

What you need is a game listing, preferably in PGN format, with
the time taken, e.g.:

1. f4 {00:10} d5 {00:32}
2. b3 {00:07} c5 {00:41}
....

There may be just a difference of only 1 second from the time shown
Not more than that. As it uses the System clock to record number of
seconds it takes to make a move.

The program does not play anywhere near that speed. What is it (or
what do you think it is) timing? Is it recording CPU time? That is
only a fraction of real time.

You can see the Seconds counter which updates every 2 seconds.

What is that seconds counter showing? If the game being replayed
in real time? If so, why on earth would you do that? Not that it
is really doing that; it is moving far too fast for real time, and
much too slowly for a replay.

You can see Opening Moves are made in 0 seconds as they are produced
instantaniously, While other moves with Beginner Level takes 10-20
Seconds.

That's it.

No, it's nothing like it.

--
Chris F.A. Johnson http://cfaj.freeshell.org
================================================== =================
Author:
Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)