Sanny wrote:
Fritz and Rybka I have not tested. Once my Program starts beating good
players like nomorechess, yourself, bob & Zebediah. Then I will test
it against Fritz & Rybka.

You should it would provide you lots of material showing where the
program can improve.

Now it do not make silly moves. Now you told it is not playing
intelligently. What do you mean by that. Can you show some moves which
you think were wrong.

Actually, looking at the programs past record, you should easily find
plenty of those, what I can access on the front page of your website
seems to indicated a record of
6 losses for master level
3 losses for normal level
4 losses for easy level
14 losses, potentially 1 draw (was that real or not?!) for beginner

and then there's the programs score of +5 -7 versus you personally,
Sanny, which appear to be the only games the program has actually won.

Why don't you just run all those losses through fritz?

On Sep 3, 12:48 am, Bjoern wrote:
Sanny wrote:
Fritz and Rybka I have not tested. Once my Program starts beating good
players like nomorechess, yourself, bob & Zebediah. Then I will test
it against Fritz & Rybka.

Once Bobby Fischer has beaten me in a match,
THEN I will allow Rybka to offer me pawn odds, but
not before. ;D


You should it would provide you lots of material showing where the
program can improve.

Now it do not make silly moves. Now you told it is not playing
intelligently. What do you mean by that. Can you show some moves which
you think were wrong.

Actually, looking at the programs past record, you should easily find
plenty of those, what I can access on the front page of your website
seems to indicated a record of
6 losses for master level
3 losses for normal level
4 losses for easy level
14 losses, potentially 1 draw (was that real or not?!) for beginner

and then there's the programs score of +5 -7 versus you personally,
Sanny, which appear to be the only games the program has actually won.

Why don't you just run all those losses through fritz?

I believe what Sanny has in mind is his Band-aid
approach whereby he finds an exact position early
in the game and then types in a specific move for
it to play by-rote. This is wrongheaded, and even
with a thousand such Band-aids the program will
be easy to beat, once beyond the Band-aid wall of
protection.

Personally, I don't know squat about Java, HTML,
or even writing a routine to generate a list of every
legal move in a given position, but it ought to be a
simple task to improve on the program's current
level, where it "resigns" a half-move before being
checkmated. Sheesh! Just do simple math:

K=99
Q=9
R=5
B=3
N=3
P=1

or this:

K=999
Q=100
R=56
B=34
N=31
P=10

and add them up for the "material score".


Then, after this is working smoothly, add on
a "positional score" which gives a bonus for
control of the center, King safety or whatever
you want, just make sure that you save the
original, tested-working version so you can go
back to Kansas if things don't pan out.

In my scenario, even a slow-as-molasses
Java module should be able to get well beyond
the current resign at mate-on-the-move state.
In my games, the program sits there for a while
and then, finally, realizes it is going to be mated
by force; the time for this ought to be essentially
*zero*, since there is only one legal move. For
instance, in the game where I recently beat the
master level I played ...QxR+, and it had just one
legal move, KxQ, after which I had ...R-h1 mate.

When I tried out another Web site which used
a Java chess program, there was no trouble and
it moved in good time, so I think the problem is
specific to Sanny's program/Web site.


-- help bot

Pretty much a hare-and-tortoise affair, except that here the hare
never let up. Sanny's program simply doesn't have the speed and
calculating ability to stand up to Fritz8 even in its quickest-moving
mode.

Does Fritz8 have a way of weakening the program to
USCF-rating equivalents? If it does, you might be able
to give some kind of estimate for the strength of the
program atGetClub.

The GETCLUB GAME has now entered the KILLER ZONE.

I Update the Rating of Game as again a bit of improvement was done.

Beginner: 1700
Easy: 1800
Normal: 1900
Master: 2000

Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html

Nomorechess now you will have tough time beating the Beginner & Easy
Levels.

For Stronger players Zebediah I think it will be tougher to beat the
Master Level.

The game strength was further improved today. And this time it was a
serious improvement.

Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html

I am going to see a lot of losses by good players in comming days.

As I promised the game will be further improved. Now is the time To
get a good Challenge.

If you are currenlt playing a game. Just close your Browser and start
the game again So that better Program is loaded on your computer and
you do not play with older version.

I am sure that I am going to see a lot of losses in comming days.

Nomorechess will have trouble with Beginner & Easy Level.
Bonsai will have trouble playing with Easy & Normal Level.
And Zebediah will find Master much tougher than what it was earlier.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html

When I tried out another Web site which used
a Javachessprogram, there was no trouble and
it moved in good time, so I think the problem is
specific to Sanny's program/Web site.


The Problem has been corrected. I feel now Beginner will give you a
good Challenge.

I find it takes 50-60 moves for you to win Beginner. Earlier you used
to beat in 40 Moves only.

With recent Improvement I feel now you will need 60-70 Moves to win
Beginner Level.

Play Chess at:http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html

And may be in 1/3 Matches the Beginner will win.

And Easy Level will be 50-50 for you.

Normal will beat you 2/3 times.

Master will beat you 3/4 times.

Thats what I think. May be your game level is better than what I
think.

But since you mostly play with beginner level. I have a feeling It
will have very difficult for you to win Higher Levels.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at:http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html

Can Taylor Kingston play with Beginner, Easy, Normal & Master with his
Fritz8 and tell me What is the actual Rating of GetClub Chess.

Here is what I give for the Improved Game.

Play & Tell: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html

{The Game was improved further today, So I am estimating a little
higher rating.}

Beginner: 1700
Easy: 1800
Normal: 1900
Master: 2000

Is the Above rating Correct, What do Fritz8 Say?

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at:http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html

Does Fritz8 have a way of weakening the program to
USCF-rating equivalents? If it does, you might be able
to give some kind of estimate for the strength of the
program atGetClub.

Personally, I find it very hard to estimate, because at
times I feel I am playing a tactically dangerous computer,
yet at other times I feel like I am playing Sanny himself.

I give {improved} Easy Level same Rating as your Gameplay. As the Game
has improved Easy Level will play as good as you play.

If your Rating is 1800, Easy =1800.
Beginner=1700 (-100)
Normal=1900 (+100)
Master: 2000 (+200)

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html

Actually, looking at the programs past record, you should easily find
plenty of those, what I can access on the front page of your website
seems to indicated a record of
6 losses for master level
3 losses for normal level
4 losses for easy level
14 losses, potentially 1 draw (was that real or not?!) for beginner

The things are going to be changed from today as the Game has been
improved a lot Today.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html

On Sep 3, 1:22 am, Sanny wrote:
I think you should compare Getclub1 with Fritz1.

WhenGetClubreaches 8th version it will beat fritz8

But Sanny, you said it could beat Fritz8 already! On 22 August you
said here "GetClubChessbeat Worlds Strongest Computer Game !!!"
Surely then it should beat Fritz8, which is nowhere near the strongestchessprogram. Yet Fritz beat yours easily. Your program is really pretty lousy atchess.
And every time this is proven -- and it has been proven many, many,
many times -- all you do is make silly excuses. Sanny, you need to
quit lying and making ridiculous claims.

That was another Java Program which boast of being strongest in the
world. My Program was able to beat it becauase that made a blunder and
gave away its bishop for no reasion.


Sanny, you remind of a guy who says "I am the tallest man in the
world!" When someone points out that you are only 5 feet 6 inches
tall, and that there many men 6 and even 7 feet tall or more, you try
to explain that they are not really men, or that they live on a
different world, or that theirs is a different kind of tallness than
what you meant.

That was another Java Program which boast of being strongest in the
world. My Program was able to beat it becauase that made a blunder and
gave away its bishop for no reasion.

Sanny, you remind of a guy who says "I am the tallest man in the
world!" When someone points out that you are only 5 feet 6 inches
tall, and that there many men 6 and even 7 feet tall or more, you try
to explain that they are not really men, or that they live on a
different world, or that theirs is a different kind of tallness than
what you meant.

This is something Puzzle like: What Comes first Hen or the Egg?

I say Egg comes first and it hatches to give a Hen.

Other said Hen laid the Eggs so Hen Comes First.

The Program I played It wrote It is worlds Strongest Chess Game. So I
thought they are saying correct. And my Program wins against him in 60
moves. So I wrote the fact. But later a few players told me that Rybka
is best Chess game. If some day my Program beats Rybka I will again
say it. But maybe by then some other program becomes worlds best.

Some people say Fritz is best. Some say Chess Master is best. Some say
Deep Blue is best. I do not know which plays best.

Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html

Today for the First time Nomorechess was beaten twice by Beginner
Level, However Nomorechess said he was playing Blitz game and not
playing seriously thats why he lost the Match.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html

On Sep 3, 11:37 am, Sanny wrote:
That was another Java Program which boast of being strongest in the
world. My Program was able to beat it becauase that made a blunder and
gave away its bishop for no reasion.

Sanny, you remind of a guy who says "I am the tallest man in the
world!" When someone points out that you are only 5 feet 6 inches
tall, and that there many men 6 and even 7 feet tall or more, you try
to explain that they are not really men, or that they live on a
different world, or that theirs is a different kind of tallness than
what you meant.

This is something Puzzle like: What Comes first Hen or the Egg?


No, Sanny, it is nothing like that. Time to go back to ignoring you.