I think my browser must be malfunctioning...

And my operating system...

And my monitor...

No way can I be seeing those words; no way, no how.

Yesterday a few improvement patches were added to the game, But I
think it made it play so bad that it started giving out pieces for no
reasion.

So all improvements were removed and old Game which was atleast make
sensible moves was restored.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

In rec.games.chess.computer Sanny wrote:
Yesterday a few improvement patches were added to the game, But I
think it made it feel play so bad that it started giving out pieces
for no reasion.

So all improvements were removed and old Game which atleast make
sensible moves was restored.


Sheesh! A sensible move would have been to test the software before releasing
shut a ****ty patch.

--
Thomas T. Veldhouse

We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the
machinations of the wicked.

On Sep 13, 10:45 am, Sanny wrote:

Yesterday a few improvement patches were added to the game, But I
think it made it feel play so bad that it started giving out pieces
for no reasion.

So all improvements were removed and old Game which atleast make
sensible moves was restored.


I played a few games yesterday at the easy levels
and thought there was something odd going on; all of
a sudden, the program was "booked up" in the openings
and although it played good moves much of the time it
would inevitably overlook an obvious tactical threat; in
sum, it was like playing a decent human opponent.

My guess is that both Sanny and his meanest
critics are off base regarding the program's actual
playing strength. No, it is not Class B, Class B,
Class A, Expert and so forth, but neither is it Class E,
Class E, Class E, and Class D. You have to focus on
the sad fact that no matter how poorly it may play the
openings, and no matter how many times it fails to
avoid a mate-in-two on itself, it still is dangerous at
times.

Ralph Callenberg suggested that Sanny's numbers
were exaggerated by 750 to 1000 points, but this is
utter nonsense; take 1000 points off of Sanny's
estimate of 2000 for Master level and you get 1000--
I would love to bet money on Sanny's ML against a
room full of such players, at $100 per board. Make
that a very LARGE room full! IMO, the Master level
would mow them down like a row of carrots (no wait,
carrots grow underground).

I think Sanny's numbers are too close together;
they do not give his program much credit for taking
double, triple, or even ten times more time to think.
Perhaps he should put his Beginner level somewhat
lower, but his top levels are not so bad, weighing
tactics at 90% or so and the worst aspects much
less. I'm talking about results here, not the artistic
aspects... LOL.


-- help bot

So all improvements were removed and old Game which atleast make
sensible moves was restored.

Sheesh! A sensible move would have been to test the software before releasing
shut a ****ty patch.


Yes you are correct, I think it will take 3-4 days more to produce a
stable program. This game is taking a lot of time and resources. If it
do not work well in a week I think We will have to shut this game
forever.

Bye
Sanny

In rec.games.chess.computer Sanny wrote:
So all improvements were removed and old Game which atleast make
sensible moves was restored.

Sheesh! A sensible move would have been to test the software before releasing
shut a ****ty patch.


Yes you are correct, I think it will take 3-4 days more to produce a
stable program. This game is taking a lot of time and resources. If it
do not work well in a week I think We will have to shut this game
forever.


That sounds familiar. Are you paying these guys to write this code? Or is it
just you? If the former, then perhaps pulling in somebody technical with a
little QA knowledge will save your game. If the latter, well, I hope you can
do a little self study ... is it all in Java? If so, try JUnit. Put some
hooks in to the engine [in debug mode] that you can throw a position at it and
expect certain output from various functions.

I can't be of more help than that ... I have never written a chess engine and
my background is largely C++ and C#.NET.

--
Thomas T. Veldhouse

We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the
machinations of the wicked.

Sanny wrote:
So all improvements were removed and old Game which atleast make
sensible moves was restored.
Sheesh! A sensible move would have been to test the software before releasing
shut a ****ty patch.


Yes you are correct, I think it will take 3-4 days more to produce a
stable program. This game is taking a lot of time and resources. If it
do not work well in a week I think We will have to shut this game
forever.


I think a more sensible estimate would be 3-4 decades.

At least, you are consistent here. days - decades is about the same
multiplicative factor that you use when measuring the time alloted for
each move.


--
Kenneth Sloan
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://www.cis.uab.edu/sloan/

I played a few games yesterday at the easy levels
and thought there was something odd going on; all of
a sudden, the program was "booked up" in the openings
and although it played good moves much of the time it
would inevitably overlook an obvious tactical threat; in
sum, it was like playing a decent human opponent.

Today GetClub Chess played very good moves and Draw game With one of
the Worlds best Chess Program Jester.

Below is the Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html


Jester: White
GetClub Black (Beginner Level)


Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...355&game=Chess


1.e2-e4 e7-e5
2.Nb1-c3 Ng8-f6
3.g2-g3 Nb8-c6
4.Ng1-f3 Bf8-b4
5.Bf1-b5 Bb4xc3
6.d2xc3 Ke8-g8
7.Bc1-g5 h7-h6
8.Bg5xf6 Qd8xf6
9.Ke1-g1 Nc6-d8
10.h2-h4 c7-c5
11.Bb5-e2 Nd8-c6
12.Qd1-d5 d7-d6
13.Rf1-d1 Rf8-d8
14.Qd5-d3 Bc8-h3
15.Qd3-e3 Ra8-b8
16.a2-a3 Bh3-e6
17.Rd1-d2 Be6-h3
18.Rd2-d1 Bh3-e6
19.Rd1-d2 -------------


Game Draw.!!! with Black Pieces.


Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...355&game=Chess


So It gives me relief the Program is now playing very good moves.


Yesterday I said of shutting my Program if it do not improve in 4
days. And today it satisfied me so now I can continue with GetClub
Chess Game without shutting it forever.


Its after long hard work the sucess came. And I am very happy about
it.


Bye
Sanny


Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Or does the program ever do what Sanny says the program does, ever?

Here it continues to cheat time controls as 'my enemy' Ken Sloan says. Can
Sanny work on that and tell us only if it/he doesn't cheat anymore,
otherwise it/he is a constant liar. And we/we seem to universaly think
so-so!

Would Sanny agree that if he tells another lie in public about his engine,
and everyone thinks its a lie, that he is actually lying; should post no
more here, award no more awards; claim master levels for his 1300 engine, et
cetera?


There is nothing lie that can be told. All games are recorded. And
arround 1000 Games are recorded. I do not know where the Term CHEAT
comes from. Why will computer cheat. Yes, It always give equal pieces
to both players.

It allows you to play all legal moves then from where the Question of
Cheating comes in.

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

1000 games has been played at GetClub Chess. So I do not understand
what Kenneth Sloan is talking about. If I am wroing play a game and
look for yourself how it plays. It never cheats.

Beginner Level Plays in 10-20 seconds Sometimes very rarely it takes
more that 30 seconds.
Easy Level Plays in 30- 60 seconds Very rarely it takes more than 2
min
Normal Level plays in 2-3 min Very rarely it takes more that 4
minutes.

Yes Master Level takes lot of time 5-10 min. But I feel Beginner &
Easy are sufficient for most players.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html