Please give me your insights on this, it works well in blitz:
1. e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.Nf3 d6 4.Bc4 Nb6 5. Bxf7

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"Joe Schoeman" wrote:

Please give me your insights on this, it works well in blitz:
1. e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.Nf3 d6 4.Bc4 Nb6 5. Bxf7



Early sacrifices certainly aren't unheard of in the Alekhine--such as
1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.d4 d6 4.Nf3 de 5.Nxe5 Nd7?! 6.Nxf7!?. My instinct
says that I'd rather sacrifice a knight than a bishop here, as in this
line the threat of Bc4 (pinning the knight) earns some concessions.

Does 6. ... Kxf7 7. Qh5+ not immediately win back the knight? In other
words, this is not a
sacrifice?

Well, the point is that if black wants to keep his material he has to
go in for a fried-liver-like kingwalk with Ke6. That holds the knight,
and there's not an obvious, immediate loss for black even if most of us
wouldn't like to defend that position.

No guys, the Black knight is on b6!! Are you not thinking of the Krajcek
(sp?) variation with 2. Bc4? The point (I think) is after ...5Kxf7 6.Ng5
gives a very strong attack for White?

opps!, sorry, I thought we were talking about the line I mentioned,

"Joe Schoeman" wrote in message ...
Please give me your insights on this, it works well in blitz:
1. e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.Nf3 d6 4.Bc4 Nb6 5. Bxf7

This also works very well in blitz, for only the price of a pawn:

1. e4 Nf6
2. e5 Nd5
3. c4 Nb6
4. c5! Nd5
5. Bc4 e6
6. Nc3 Nxc3
7. bxc3 Bxc5
8. Q-g4.....White has quite a powerful attack

warm regards, GreyHipster

Subject: Busting the Alekhine?
From: me
Date: 9/12/03 11:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time
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Joe Schoeman wrote:

Please give me your insights on this, it works well in blitz:
1. e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.Nf3 d6 4.Bc4 Nb6 5. Bxf7

I got paired with GM Lev Alburt in a tournament once and didn't
have a line against the Alekhine's. A friend suggested the line
you gave, and I tried it on him. It probably works well in blitz
vs. average players, but let me tell you right now that it
doesn't work in a tournament game vs. a grandmaster!

The game began 1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. Nf3 d6 4. Bc4 Nb6 5. Bxf7+
Kxf7 6. Ng5+ Kg8 7. Qf3 Qe8 8. e6 g6, and now I went for 9. Nf7
Bxe6 10. Nxf8 Kxf8, which looks like a bad idea, but nothing else
looked better at the time.

-snipped-

The line above was most likely familiar to Alburt, since it was played in the
correspondence game Habel-von Westphalen, 1986, where Black obtained a clear
advantage after 11. Nc3 Bg7 12. Ne4 Nc6 13. c3 Ne5.

George Mirijanian

I've won quite a few games with this in blitz, but it's not sound and I've
never had the chutzpah to try it a second time against the same opponent.

1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.Nf3

3.d4 is probably more common, againt which 3...d6 is the main line. So even
if Black is not familiar with this line, he is likely to play ...d6 next.

3...d6 4.Bc4 Nb6

....Nb6 is thematic in the main lines, and good here, so again even though we
are not following the main line, there is no reason to expect that Black
will deviate from these thematic moves.

5.Bxf7+ ?!

After 5.Bb3 the game is probably equal.

5...Kxf7 6.Ng5+

Now, the obvious moves are 6...Ke8 and 6...Kg8. Most players will not want
to expose their king with 6...Kg6.

A). 6...Ke8? 7.e6! (threatening Nf7) Bxe6 and White has regained his
material and should be able to consolidate his position. +/=

B). 6...Kg8 (best) 7.Qf3 (threatening mate) Qe8 8.e6! (threatening Qf7+) g6!
and Black can parry the attack with much better piece coordination.

The thing White has in his favor is that 7...Qe8 and 8...g6 are not obvious
moves, and White's mate threat after 8.e6 is not an obvious pattern. But
once you've seen it, you're probably not going to fall for it again.




"Joe Schoeman" wrote in message
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Please give me your insights on this, it works well in blitz:
1. e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.Nf3 d6 4.Bc4 Nb6 5. Bxf7

Hello,

concerning 1. e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.Nf3 d6 4.Bc4 Nb6 5. Bxf7?!
my opinion is that it is not good for white as he doesnt seem to get enough
for the knight.

5... Kxf7 6. Ng5+ Kg8 and now for example

a) 7. Qf3 Qe8 8.e6 g6! 9.Nf7 Qc6 and Black is clearly better, or

b) 7. e6 Qe8 8.0-0 Nc6 9.Nf7 Bxe6 10.Nxh8 Kxh8 and Black is clearly better
(N/B vs. R - material advantage, solid position, good development)

Blacks defense (Kg8, Qe8) is not too hard to find, i think.

regards

Oliver

me wrote in message ...
Joe Schoeman wrote:

Please give me your insights on this, it works well in blitz:
1. e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.Nf3 d6 4.Bc4 Nb6 5. Bxf7

I got paired with GM Lev Alburt in a tournament once and didn't
have a line against the Alekhine's. A friend suggested the line
you gave, and I tried it on him. It probably works well in blitz
vs. average players, but let me tell you right now that it
doesn't work in a tournament game vs. a grandmaster!

Please don't take offense, but this is rather amusing. Of all the
people in the world to try a dubious anti-Alekhine's trap against, Lev
Alburt is probably the absolute last person on the list. Not only is
he 100% guaranteed to know the exact refutation in his sleep, but by
putting this game "on the record", you may have alerted some more
amateur Alekhine's players to what the refutation is, making it less
effective even in your blitz games.

I'd suggest that you have fun with that line in blitz but not
take chances with it in more important games. Here's a more
reliable offbeat line: 1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Bc4 Nb6 5.
Bb3 dxe5 6. Qh5. Not what the GMs would choose, but maybe worth a
look for you.

Certainly, but players should be aware that among Alekhine's devotees,
5...dxe5 is not the preferred move for exactly this reason. 5...Bf5 is
very popular, meeting 6.Qf3 with 6...Qc8. This is playable for White,
but far from scary for Black, and your opponent is likely to be more
familiar with the resulting positions than you are. (Point #1: 7.Bxf7+
Kxf7 8.g4 Nc6! 9.c3 dxe5.)

An interesting little line in the "dubious trap" category is 1.e4 Nf6
2.e5 Nd5 3.d4 d6 4.Bc4 Nb6 5.e6?!! The recommended antidote is
5...Nxc4 6.exf7+ Kxf7 7.Qf3+ Ke8 8.Qh5+ g6 9.Qb5+ Qd7 10.Qxc4 Qg4!
This is much harder to find over the board than the ...Kg8, ...Qe8,
....g6 antidote in the line that started this thread -- but be warned,
a theoretically knowledgeable amateur Alekhine's player will whip out
all these moves as fast as Lev Alburt would.

That's the thing about playing and facing the Alekhine's Defense at
the amateur level: unlike many defenses, so *few* amateurs know the
book lines against the Alekhine's at all, that the Alekhine's players
*have to* learn all the offbeat and trap lines very quickly, since
they are tried so much more often than are the offbeat lines against
other defenses. Plus there are the excellent books by Alburt and
Graham Burgess, which even though they are 10-20 years old contain
reliable analysis -- and their lines to neutralize the offbeat and
trap lines are the least likely of all to become outdated.

Another poster proposed the Two Pawns Attack: 1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.c4
Nb6 4.c5 Nd5 5.Bc4 e6 6.Nc3 Nxc3 7.bxc3 Bxc5 8.Qg4. Again, the Two
Pawns Attack is actually one of the most popular tries against the
Alekhine's in amateur play, and most Alekhine's players will be
prepared against it. You might well see Black diverge at move 5, 6, or
7 -- and even if he doesn't know the unusual move 7.bxc3 (7.dxc3 is
far more popular), he'll know that ...Bxc5 too soon is super-dangerous
in this variation. You might catch him out once playing 7...Nc6 (good
against 7.dxc3) 8.d4!, but you're going nowhere if he spots 7...d5!
8.cxd6 cxd6 9.exd6 Bxd6.

For a blitz game, White might try 1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.c4 Nb6 4.a4!?
The theoretical reply is 4...d6, when 5.a5 N6d7 6.e6 is probably not a
great idea for a slow game, but may work in blitz. But if Black plays
4...a5, White's main benefit may be that some main lines are now
better for him with the a-pawn moves inserted -- if you don't know or
don't want to play the main lines, you may not have gained much with
4.a4.