I used to think Jester plays very good, But today in a game with
Beginner Level, It lost a winning game. It was ahead of a Rook but
still lost the game See and tell me if you see any mistake by GetClub
Beginner Level.

Today GetClub Game was much improved so you will find very good games
at GetClub Chess.

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Game Played between Jester and beginner at GetClub.com

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Jester: (White)
beginner: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...934&game=Chess
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White -- Black
(Jester) -- (beginner)

1. e2-e4{2} d7-d6{0}
2. d2-d4{6} Ng8-f6{0}
3. Nb1-c3{6} g7-g6{0}
4. Bc1-g5{6} c7-c6{10}
5. Bg5-f6{10} e7-f6{8}
6. Bf1-c4{10} b7-b5{6}
7. Bc4-d3{10} b5-b4{8}
8. Nc3-e2{10} Bc8-a6{10}
9. Bd3-a6{10} Nb8-a6{6}
10. Qd1-d3{8} Qd8-a5{6}
11. Qd3-c4{12} Qa5-b5{8}
12. Qc4-b5{10} c6-b5{6}
13. Ng1-f3{10} g6-g5{14}
14. Ke1-g1{12} Ra8-c8{6}
15. Ra1-c1{8} g5-g4{8}
16. Nf3-h4{10} h7-h5{10}
17. Nh4-f5{10} Rh8-g8{10}
18. Ne2-f4{12} Rg8-g5{6}
19. Nf4-d5{10} Rg5-g6{8}
20. f2-f3{12} Rc8-c6{6}
21. f3-g4{10} h5-g4{8}
22. Nf5-h4{10} Rg6-h6{6}
23. g2-g3{10} Rc6-c4{8}
24. Rf1-f4{10} Rc4-d4{8}
25. Nh4-f5{12} Rd4-d2{6}
26. Nf5-h6{12} Bf8-h6{8}
27. Nd5-f6{10} Ke8-d8{8}
28. Rf4-g4{10} Na6-c5{8}
29. Rc1-f1{10} Bh6-e3{8}
30. Kg1-h1{24} Be3-f2{6}
31. Rg4-g8{14} Kd8-c7{6}
32. Nf6-d5{8} Kc7-b7{8}
33. Rg8-f8{8} f7-f6{6}
34. Rf8-f6{10} Nc5-e4{6}
35. Rf6-f7{10} Kb7-a8{6}
36. Nd5-c7{10} Ka8-b7{16}
37. Rf7-e7{10} Kb7-c8{8}
38. Nc7-b5{10} Ne4-g5{8}
39. Nb5-a7{10} Kc8-b8{6}
40. Na7-c6{10} Kb8-c8{6}
41. Nc6-b4{10} Bf2-b6{8}
42. h2-h4{12} Bb6-d8{10}
43. Re7-e8{10} Ng5-h7{12}
44. Re8-h8{12} d6-d5{6}
45. Rh8-h7{10} d5-d4{8}
46. Nb4-c6{10} d4-d3{6}
47. Nc6-d8{10} d3-c2{8}
48. Rf1-c1{10} Rd2-d1{6}
49. Kh1-g2{10} Rd1-c1{10}
50. Nd8-e6{10} Rc1-g1{6}
51. Kg2-g1{12} Qc2-c1{Q}{10}
52. Kg1-g2{12} Qc1-c2{6}
53. Kg2-g1{10} Qc2-h7{6}
54. Kg1-f2{10} Qh7-c2{8}
55. Kf2-e3{10} Qc2-b2{6}
56. Ke3-f3{10} Qb2-b7{6}
57. Kf3-f4{12} Qb7-f7{12}
58. Kf4-e5{22} Qf7-f3{10}
59. Ne6-f4{10} Qf3-g3{12}
60. h4-h5{8} Qg3-g5{6}
61. Ke5-e4{10} Qg5-c5{12}
62. Ke4-f3{10} Qc5-g5{6}
63. Kf3-e4{10} Qg5-c5{16}
64. Ke4-f3{10} Qc5-c6{8}
65. Kf3-g4{10} Kc8-b8{6}
66. Kg4-g5{10} Qc6-c5{10}
67. Kg5-g4{10} Qc5-c8{6}
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Jester: (White)
beginner: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...934&game=Chess

So what do you think about this game was it won because of Jester
Mistake or it was won because of good moves by GetClub Beginner Level.

Do you find the moves much stronger than earlier or you still find
mistakes in the game of GetClub Beginner Level.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Here is another game., Was there any way for the Beginner Level to
survive? Its pawn gets killed and it cvould do nothing.

Game Played between Jester and beginner at GetClub.com

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Jester: (White)
beginner: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...069&game=Chess
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White -- Black
(Jester) -- (beginner)

1. e2-e4{2} c7-c6{0}
2. d2-d4{4} d7-d5{0}
3. e4-e5{4} Bc8-f5{0}
4. Nb1-c3{6} e7-e6{0}
5. g2-g4{6} Bf5-e4{6}
6. Nc3-e4{10} d5-e4{12}
7. c2-c3{10} Nb8-d7{6}
8. Bf1-g2{10} f7-f6{18}
9. Qd1-b3{10} f6-e5{6}
10. Qb3-b7{10} Qd8-c8{10}
11. Qb7-c8{10} Ra8-c8{12}
12. Ng1-e2{8} e5-d4{10}
13. Ne2-d4{8} Nd7-c5{6}
14. Ke1-g1{10} a7-a5{10}
15. h2-h3{10} e6-e5{8}
16. Nd4-b3{12} Ng8-f6{8}
17. Nb3-a5{10} Bf8-e7{10}
18. Na5-c4{10} Ke8-g8{22}
19. Bc1-g5{12} h7-h6{8}
20. Bg5-h4{10} g7-g5{22}
21. Bh4-g3{10} Nf6-d5{12}
22. Bg3-e5{10} Rf8-f7{22}
23. b2-b4{10} Nc5-a4{12}
24. Ra1-c1{12} Nd5-f4{10}
25. Be5-f4{10} Rf7-f4{12}
26. Nc4-d2{10} Na4-b6{6}
27. Nd2-e4{10} Nb6-d5{14}
28. a2-a4{118} Kg8-h8{22}
29. Ne4-g3{12} Rf4-f6{6}
30. Ng3-f5{16} Be7-d6{10}
31. Nf5-d6{10} Rf6-d6{16}
32. Rf1-d1{12} Rc8-d8{6}
33. a4-a5{10} Nd5-f4{12}
34. Rd1-d6{10} Rd8-d6{8}
35. Kg1-h2{10} Rd6-f6{6}
36. a5-a6{10} Kh8-h7{22}
37. Rc1-e1{10} Nf4-d5{22}
38. a6-a7{16} Rf6-f8{10}
39. b4-b5{10} Kh7-g7{6}
40. b5-c6{10} Nd5-f4{12}
41. Re1-b1{10} Kg7-g8{12}
42. Rb1-b8{10} Kg8-g7{16}
43. Rb8-f8{10} h6-h5{22}
44. Rf8-d8{10} Nf4-g2{22}
45. Kh2-g2{8} Kg7-h6{22}
46. Qa7-a8{Q}{10} Kh6-g6{8}
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Jester: (White)
beginner: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...069&game=Chess

Was there a way to save those pawns which got killed one after the
another?

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Snopes = False.

The games don't work out,Sanny. This is a java-based program and depends on the computer's speed for strength of play. My computer does not follow the poor moves suggest by Jester after it reaches an advantage in the early transition. Try a faster computer.

This is what Jester/Beginner plays on check-up:

1. e2-e4{2} d7-d6{0}
2. d2-d4{6} Ng8-f6{0}
3. Nb1-c3{6} g7-g6{0}
4. Bc1-g5{6} c7-c6{10}
5. Bg5-f6{10} e7-f6{8}
6. Bf1-c4{10} b7-b5{6}
7. Bc4-d3{10} b5-b4{8}
8. Nc3-e2{10} Bc8-a6{10}
9. Bd3-a6{10} Nb8-a6{6}
10. Qd1-d3{8} Qd8-a5{6}

Here, Jester plays:
11. Ng1-f3 eval(+1.30)

Why would Jester move the queen again, as shown in your games, and not develop for advantage? It wouldn't.

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Jester: (White)
beginner: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...069&game=Chess
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White -- Black
(Jester) -- (beginner)

1. e2-e4{2} c7-c6{0}
2. d2-d4{4} d7-d5{0}
3. e4-e5{4} Bc8-f5{0}
4. Nb1-c3{6} e7-e6{0}
5. g2-g4{6} Bf5-e4{6}
6. Nc3-e4{10} d5-e4{12}
7. c2-c3{10} Nb8-d7{6}
8. Bf1-g2{10} f7-f6{18}
9. Qd1-b3{10} f6-e5{6}
10. Qb3-b7{10} Qd8-c8{10}
11. Qb7-c8{10} Ra8-c8{12}
12. Ng1-e2{8} e5-d4{10}
13. Ne2-d4{8} Nd7-c5{6}
14. Ke1-g1{10} a7-a5{10}
15. h2-h3{10} e6-e5{8}
16. Nd4-b3{12} Ng8-f6{8}
17. Nb3-a5{10} Bf8-e7{10}
18. Na5-c4{10} Ke8-g8{22}

Here, Jester plays to take the pawn, and an easy coast to victory:
19.Nc4xe5 (eval +2.33)

I don't understand how this easy pawn grab is ignored by the your computer, unless it is a very slow one.

It's easy for anyone to check up on these games. You just flip the board and play as "Beginner" at the LudoChess.com Jester website.

On Feb 8, 3:11*pm, Sanny wrote:
I used to think Jester plays very good, But today in a game with
Beginner Level, It lost a winning game. It was ahead of a Rook but
still lost the game See and tell me if you see any mistake byGetClub
Beginner Level.

TodayGetClubGame was much improved so you will find very good games
atGetClubChess.

PlayChessat:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Game Played between Jester and beginner atGetClub.com

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Jester: (White)
beginner: (Black)
Game Played at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...934&game=Chess
---------------------------------------------------------------------------*-----

White -- Black
(Jester) -- (beginner)

1. e2-e4{2} d7-d6{0}
2. d2-d4{6} Ng8-f6{0}
3. Nb1-c3{6} g7-g6{0}
4. Bc1-g5{6} c7-c6{10}
5. Bg5-f6{10} e7-f6{8}
6. Bf1-c4{10} b7-b5{6}
7. Bc4-d3{10} b5-b4{8}
8. Nc3-e2{10} Bc8-a6{10}
9. Bd3-a6{10} Nb8-a6{6}
10. Qd1-d3{8} Qd8-a5{6}
11. Qd3-c4{12} Qa5-b5{8}
12. Qc4-b5{10} c6-b5{6}
13. Ng1-f3{10} g6-g5{14}
14. Ke1-g1{12} Ra8-c8{6}
15. Ra1-c1{8} g5-g4{8}
16. Nf3-h4{10} h7-h5{10}
17. Nh4-f5{10} Rh8-g8{10}

Jester made a mistake here. Kd7 would be OK

24. Rf1-f4{10} Rc4-d4{8}

Rf4 is a mistake. Lets black off the hook about 20th of 32 moves.
Nxf6+ or Ne3 Rfd1 b3 are all much much better.

32. Nf6-d5{8} Kc7-b7{8}

Looks to me like a spite check.

32. h5 is best. Needs a pawn can run detection.
(ie the enemy king cannot get to it in time and the enemy pieces will
struggle in the attempt)

37. Rf7-e7{10} Kb7-c8{8}

Kc8 is fatal now. More pawns fall.

So what do you think about this game was *it won because of Jester
Mistake or it was won because of good moves byGetClubBeginner Level.

Jesters mistake. Also it took way too many moves to finish Jester off.

Regards,
Martin Brown

On Feb 9, 2:14*pm, Sanny wrote:
Here is another game., Was there any way for the Beginner Level to
survive? Its pawn gets killed and it cvould do nothing.

It had a choice where to put the Bishop. It chose unwsely because it
lookahead was insufficient to see that the pawn used for recapture
will inevitably die.

White -- Black
(Jester) -- (beginner)

1. e2-e4{2} c7-c6{0}
2. d2-d4{4} d7-d5{0}
3. e4-e5{4} Bc8-f5{0}
4. Nb1-c3{6} e7-e6{0}
5. g2-g4{6} Bf5-e4{6}

5. .... Bg6 would be perfectly playable.

6. Nc3-e4{10} d5-e4{12}

Downhill all the way from here. White can pick this pawn off at his
leisure.

Regards,
Martin Brown

On Feb 11, 8:43*am, yearlypap08
wrote:
Snopes = False.

The games don't work out,Sanny. This is a java-based program and
depends on the computer's speed for strength of play. My computer does
not follow the poor moves suggest by Jester after it reaches an
advantage in the early transition. Try a faster computer.

This is what Jester/Beginner plays on check-up:

1. e2-e4{2} d7-d6{0}
2. d2-d4{6} Ng8-f6{0}
3. Nb1-c3{6} g7-g6{0}
4. Bc1-g5{6} c7-c6{10}
5. Bg5-f6{10} e7-f6{8}
6. Bf1-c4{10} b7-b5{6}
7. Bc4-d3{10} b5-b4{8}
8. Nc3-e2{10} Bc8-a6{10}
9. Bd3-a6{10} Nb8-a6{6}
10. Qd1-d3{8} Qd8-a5{6}

Here, Jester plays:
11. Ng1-f3 eval(+1.30)

Why would Jester move the queen again, as shown in your games, and not
develop for advantage? It wouldn't.

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Jester: (White)
beginner: (Black)
Game Played at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...069&game=Chess
---------------------------------------------------------------------------*-----

White -- Black
(Jester) -- (beginner)

1. e2-e4{2} c7-c6{0}
2. d2-d4{4} d7-d5{0}
3. e4-e5{4} Bc8-f5{0}
4. Nb1-c3{6} e7-e6{0}
5. g2-g4{6} Bf5-e4{6}
6. Nc3-e4{10} d5-e4{12}
7. c2-c3{10} Nb8-d7{6}
8. Bf1-g2{10} f7-f6{18}
9. Qd1-b3{10} f6-e5{6}
10. Qb3-b7{10} Qd8-c8{10}
11. Qb7-c8{10} Ra8-c8{12}
12. Ng1-e2{8} e5-d4{10}
13. Ne2-d4{8} Nd7-c5{6}
14. Ke1-g1{10} a7-a5{10}
15. h2-h3{10} e6-e5{8}
16. Nd4-b3{12} Ng8-f6{8}
17. Nb3-a5{10} Bf8-e7{10}
18. Na5-c4{10} Ke8-g8{22}

Here, Jester plays to take the pawn, and an easy coast to victory:
19.Nc4xe5 *(eval +2.33)

I don't understand how this easy pawn grab is ignored by the your
computer, unless it is a very slow one.

It's easy for anyone to check up on these games. You just flip the
board and play as "Beginner" at the LudoChess.com Jester website.

--
yearlypap08

Yes my Computer is 5 years old and atleast 3-4 times slower than
modern computers, That may be the reasion of such poor play.

When this game was played GetClub was much weaker than now. So now you
will see much better Games at GetClub.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Normal plays very good moves still it gave away its rook for Bishop.
Why I found Blacks Pwans was getting Killed Still giving Rook for
Bishop looks bad.

31. Nd3-c5{8} Ke8-f8{114} {Is This Wrong Move Black should Save its
Rook.}

Was Black loosing Two pawns That it has to give away its rook for
Bishop?

Game Played between bonsai and normal at GetClub.com

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bonsai: (White)
normal: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...276&game=Chess
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White -- Black
(bonsai) -- (normal)

1. d2-d4{2} Ng8-f6{0}
2. c2-c4{2} c7-c5{0}
3. d4-d5{2} b7-b5{0}
4. Ng1-f3{2} g7-g6{0}
5. Nf3-d2{4} b5-b4{102}
6. a2-a3{36} a7-a5{104}
7. a3-b4{72} c5-b4{100}
8. e2-e4{18} e7-e5{120}
9. Bf1-d3{26} d7-d6{92}
10. Nd2-b3{20} h7-h5{150}
11. Bc1-e3{24} Nf6-g4{130}
12. Be3-d2{26} Bc8-b7{100}
13. f2-f3{58} Ng4-f6{136}
14. Bd2-g5{20} Bf8-e7{190}
15. Bg5-e3{10} Nb8-d7{188}
16. Ke1-g1{22} h5-h4{116}
17. Qd1-e2{116} a5-a4{108}
18. Nb3-c1{10} Nd7-c5{124}
19. Nb1-d2{76} h4-h3{118}
20. g2-g4{30} Ra8-a5{108}
21. Be3-c5{64} d6-c5{182}
22. Bd3-c2{20} b4-b3{94}
23. Bc2-d1{24} Ra5-a6{126}
24. Nc1-d3{60} Be7-d6{158}
25. Nd2-b1{28} Nf6-d7{142}
26. Nb1-c3{12} Nd7-b6{84}
27. Qe2-f2{66} Qd8-h4{164}
28. Nc3-b5{44} Nb6-c4{130}
29. Nb5-d6{40} Nc4-d6{86}
30. Qf2-h4{44} Rh8-h4{176}
31. Nd3-c5{8} Ke8-f8{114} {Is This Wrong Move It should Save its
Rook.}
32. Nc5-a6{32} Bb7-a6{134}
33. Rf1-e1{4} Ba6-b5{90}
34. Bd1-e2{12} Bb5-e8{92}
35. Kg1-f2{20} g6-g5{104}
36. Kf2-g3{18} Nd6-b5{122}
37. Ra1-a4{48} Nb5-d4{90}
38. Ra4-a7{22} f7-f6{106}
39. Be2-c4{48} Be8-b5{100}
40. Bc4-b5{16} Nd4-b5{96}
41. Ra7-b7{6} Nb5-d6{86}
42. Rb7-b3{18} Nd6-e8{112}
43. Re1-a1{22} Rh4-h7{106}
44. Rb3-b8{26} Rh7-e7{186}
45. Ra1-a8{14} Kf8-f7{110}
46. Rb8-e8{10} Re7-e8{178}
47. Ra8-e8{28} Kf7-e8{104}
48. Kg3-h3{4} Ke8-d8{108}
49. Kh3-g3{30} Kd8-c7{94}
50. h2-h4{78} Kc7-b8{130}
51. h4-h5{10} f6-f5{86}
52. h5-h6{8} f5-e4{210}
53. f3-e4{16} Kb8-b7{130}
54. h6-h7{4} Kb7-a6{126}
55. Qh7-h8{Q}{8} Ka6-b5{156}
56. Qh8-c8{24} Kb5-b4{86}
57. d5-d6{10} Kb4-b3{140}
58. d6-d7{6} Kb3-c2{82}
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bonsai: (White)
normal: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...276&game=Chess

31. Nd3-c5{8} Ke8-f8{114} {Is This Wrong Move Black should Save its
Rook.} Was it a Forced Move or it was a mistake by Normal Level? Was
Black loosing the two pawns.

But still I find as the game proceed Black looses its pawns.

What do you think Black should have done to save its Pawns, I don't
Think giving Rook was a good move. But it was Normal Level who knows?

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

"Sanny" wrote in message
...
Normal plays very good moves still it gave away its rook for Bishop.
Why I found Blacks Pwans was getting Killed Still giving Rook for
Bishop looks bad.

31. Nd3-c5{8} Ke8-f8{114} {Is This Wrong Move Black should Save its
Rook.}

Was Black loosing Two pawns That it has to give away its rook for
Bishop?

Game Played between bonsai and normal at GetClub.com

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bonsai: (White)
normal: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game:
http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...276&game=Chess
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White -- Black
(bonsai) -- (normal)

1. d2-d4{2} Ng8-f6{0}
2. c2-c4{2} c7-c5{0}
3. d4-d5{2} b7-b5{0}
4. Ng1-f3{2} g7-g6{0}
5. Nf3-d2{4} b5-b4{102}

first move out of the Benko book, and black goes wrong.

i assume 'nomal' level is here measured in seconds - or about 2 minutes a
move.

6. a2-a3{36} a7-a5{104}
7. a3-b4{72} c5-b4{100}
8. e2-e4{18} e7-e5{120}
9. Bf1-d3{26} d7-d6{92}
10. Nd2-b3{20} h7-h5{150}

then another 5 consecutive pawn moves, making 9 out of 10

11. Bc1-e3{24} Nf6-g4{130}
12. Be3-d2{26} Bc8-b7{100}
13. f2-f3{58} Ng4-f6{136}
14. Bd2-g5{20} Bf8-e7{190}
15. Bg5-e3{10}

well, white needs to develop his team, not dance around with the B - and
besides, he can eliminate the K-side defender with BxN, or even allow the
minor exchange at move 12

Nb8-d7{188}
16. Ke1-g1{22} h5-h4{116}
17. Qd1-e2{116} a5-a4{108}
18. Nb3-c1{10} Nd7-c5{124}
19. Nb1-d2{76} h4-h3{118}

bit hard to follow this in my head, with long-algebraic, but what is
indicated for white is a kingside attack, pawns an pieces

20. g2-g4{30} Ra8-a5{108}
21. Be3-c5{64} d6-c5{182}
22. Bd3-c2{20} b4-b3{94}
23. Bc2-d1{24} Ra5-a6{126}
24. Nc1-d3{60} Be7-d6{158}
25. Nd2-b1{28} Nf6-d7{142}
26. Nb1-c3

white does nor grasp the need to get after black's k side and spends 6 moves
going sideways to no advantage. 6 moves = 2 pawns!

{12} Nd7-b6{84}
27. Qe2-f2{66} Qd8-h4{164}
28. Nc3-b5{44} Nb6-c4{130}
29. Nb5-d6{40} Nc4-d6{86}
30. Qf2-h4{44} Rh8-h4{176}
31. Nd3-c5{8} Ke8-f8{114} {Is This Wrong Move It should Save its
Rook.}

I don't know, I can't follow this annotation very well, and don't like move
notations that don't indicate captures. to answer the questions below, black
saves its paws by not moving them unnecessarily in the opening. its merely
long-term procedure to overextend them, and unless black gains other
benefits from pawn moves, the game was over at 10, not 58

Phil Innes

32. Nc5-a6{32} Bb7-a6{134}
33. Rf1-e1{4} Ba6-b5{90}
34. Bd1-e2{12} Bb5-e8{92}
35. Kg1-f2{20} g6-g5{104}
36. Kf2-g3{18} Nd6-b5{122}
37. Ra1-a4{48} Nb5-d4{90}
38. Ra4-a7{22} f7-f6{106}
39. Be2-c4{48} Be8-b5{100}
40. Bc4-b5{16} Nd4-b5{96}
41. Ra7-b7{6} Nb5-d6{86}
42. Rb7-b3{18} Nd6-e8{112}
43. Re1-a1{22} Rh4-h7{106}
44. Rb3-b8{26} Rh7-e7{186}
45. Ra1-a8{14} Kf8-f7{110}
46. Rb8-e8{10} Re7-e8{178}
47. Ra8-e8{28} Kf7-e8{104}
48. Kg3-h3{4} Ke8-d8{108}
49. Kh3-g3{30} Kd8-c7{94}
50. h2-h4{78} Kc7-b8{130}
51. h4-h5{10} f6-f5{86}
52. h5-h6{8} f5-e4{210}
53. f3-e4{16} Kb8-b7{130}
54. h6-h7{4} Kb7-a6{126}
55. Qh7-h8{Q}{8} Ka6-b5{156}
56. Qh8-c8{24} Kb5-b4{86}
57. d5-d6{10} Kb4-b3{140}
58. d6-d7{6} Kb3-c2{82}
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31. Nd3-c5{8} Ke8-f8{114} {Is This Wrong Move Black should Save its
Rook.} Was it a Forced Move or it was a mistake by Normal Level? Was
Black loosing the two pawns.

But still I find as the game proceed Black looses its pawns.

What do you think Black should have done to save its Pawns, I don't
Think giving Rook was a good move. But it was Normal Level who knows?

Bye
Sanny

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Chess One wrote:
1. d2-d4{2} Ng8-f6{0}
2. c2-c4{2} c7-c5{0}
3. d4-d5{2} b7-b5{0}
4. Ng1-f3{2} g7-g6{0}
5. Nf3-d2{4} b5-b4{102}


first move out of the Benko book, and black goes wrong.

I fully agree, b5-b4 is just wrong. But in fact already 4...g6 is
suboptimal.

6. a2-a3{36} a7-a5{104}
7. a3-b4{72} c5-b4{100}
8. e2-e4{18} e7-e5{120}
9. Bf1-d3{26} d7-d6{92}
10. Nd2-b3{20} h7-h5{150}

I thought the moves e5 and h5 looked quite weird.

11. Bc1-e3{24} Nf6-g4{130}
12. Be3-d2{26} Bc8-b7{100}
13. f2-f3{58} Ng4-f6{136}
14. Bd2-g5{20} Bf8-e7{190}
15. Bg5-e3{10}
Nb8-d7{188}
16. Ke1-g1{22} h5-h4{116}
17. Qd1-e2{116} a5-a4{108}
18. Nb3-c1{10} Nd7-c5{124}
19. Nb1-d2{76} h4-h3{118}


bit hard to follow this in my head, with long-algebraic, but what is
indicated for white is a kingside attack, pawns an pieces

Well, black is not that badly placed, because white's pieces are a bit
tangled up. Black needs to find something to do though, while white
clearly can try to untangle as in the game and is then starting to do
well. I didn't think white was quite ready to open up the game due to
the messy position of the white pieces. Of course one can also usually
rely on this program to dig its own grave if one lets it move about for
long enough in closed positions.

20. g2-g4{30} Ra8-a5{108}
21. Be3-c5{64} d6-c5{182}
22. Bd3-c2{20} b4-b3{94}
23. Bc2-d1{24} Ra5-a6{126}
24. Nc1-d3{60} Be7-d6{158}
25. Nd2-b1{28} Nf6-d7{142}
26. Nb1-c3


white does nor grasp the need to get after black's k side and spends 6 moves
going sideways to no advantage. 6 moves = 2 pawns!

Actually, when I was playing the moves I thought that it's here that I
started to have a clear advantage on the queenside. In contrast the next
moves by black, namely knight to b6 and then takes c4 and in particular
that queen sortie are completely misguided.

{12} Nd7-b6{84}
27. Qe2-f2{66} Qd8-h4{164}
28. Nc3-b5{44} Nb6-c4{130}
29. Nb5-d6{40} Nc4-d6{86}
30. Qf2-h4{44} Rh8-h4{176}

There's no point even discussing any further, this is a point where
black is already completely lost, whether it crazily gives up the
exchange in a moment or not.

31. Nd3-c5{8} Ke8-f8{114} {Is This Wrong Move It should Save its
Rook.}

Of course this move is completely weird and idiotic, but the game is
lost already.

"Bjoern" wrote in message
. ..
Chess One wrote:
1. d2-d4{2} Ng8-f6{0}
2. c2-c4{2} c7-c5{0}
3. d4-d5{2} b7-b5{0}
4. Ng1-f3{2} g7-g6{0}
5. Nf3-d2{4} b5-b4{102}


first move out of the Benko book, and black goes wrong.

I fully agree, b5-b4 is just wrong. But in fact already 4...g6 is
suboptimal.

yes white should attack this structure with something like Bg5 and h4 for
h5 - with fixed central pawns locked white can play as if a piece ahead.

6. a2-a3{36} a7-a5{104}
7. a3-b4{72} c5-b4{100}
8. e2-e4{18} e7-e5{120}
9. Bf1-d3{26} d7-d6{92}
10. Nd2-b3{20} h7-h5{150}

I thought the moves e5 and h5 looked quite weird.

11. Bc1-e3{24} Nf6-g4{130}
12. Be3-d2{26} Bc8-b7{100}
13. f2-f3{58} Ng4-f6{136}
14. Bd2-g5{20} Bf8-e7{190}
15. Bg5-e3{10}
Nb8-d7{188}
16. Ke1-g1{22} h5-h4{116}
17. Qd1-e2{116} a5-a4{108}
18. Nb3-c1{10} Nd7-c5{124}
19. Nb1-d2{76} h4-h3{118}


bit hard to follow this in my head, with long-algebraic, but what is
indicated for white is a kingside attack, pawns an pieces

Well, black is not that badly placed, because white's pieces are a bit
tangled up. Black needs to find something to do though, while white
clearly can try to untangle as in the game and is then starting to do
well. I didn't think white was quite ready to open up the game due to the
messy position of the white pieces. Of course one can also usually rely on
this program to dig its own grave if one lets it move about for long
enough in closed positions.

ay

20. g2-g4{30} Ra8-a5{108}
21. Be3-c5{64} d6-c5{182}
22. Bd3-c2{20} b4-b3{94}
23. Bc2-d1{24} Ra5-a6{126}
24. Nc1-d3{60} Be7-d6{158}
25. Nd2-b1{28} Nf6-d7{142}
26. Nb1-c3


white does nor grasp the need to get after black's k side and spends 6
moves going sideways to no advantage. 6 moves = 2 pawns!

Actually, when I was playing the moves I thought that it's here that I
started to have a clear advantage on the queenside. In contrast the next
moves by black, namely knight to b6 and then takes c4 and in particular
that queen sortie are completely misguided.

it the chess engine is just point-counting, the engine has no positional
sense at all.

{12} Nd7-b6{84}
27. Qe2-f2{66} Qd8-h4{164}
28. Nc3-b5{44} Nb6-c4{130}
29. Nb5-d6{40} Nc4-d6{86}
30. Qf2-h4{44} Rh8-h4{176}

There's no point even discussing any further, this is a point where black
is already completely lost, whether it crazily gives up the exchange in a
moment or not.

yes

phil

31. Nd3-c5{8} Ke8-f8{114} {Is This Wrong Move It should Save its
Rook.}

Of course this move is completely weird and idiotic, but the game is lost
already.