On Apr 23, 2:05 pm, Sanny wrote:

I do not think Help Bot was taking help of any Computer still he wins.
Which means there is something wrong in GetClubs game play.

You've only now realized this??

I think the 20th Move 20. Rxf7 was the move that killed the game. He
thought 20 ply a very difficult task for any human.

Let Help Bot answer why he made that descision was he able to see what
will happen after 20 ply?


Actually, I see 263.1 plys ahead, on average.

In this position, I saw a mate-in-fifty-seven
moves, but decided that would just be too
easy, and instead went for "complications",
so that the game could drag on for a week.

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In one of my recent over-the-board games,
I made a double Rook sacrifice which was
*supposed* to net the opponent's Queen,
two pawns, and an ongoing attack on the
mass of weak central pawns. Instead, when
the smoke had cleared, I found myself down
a Rook for only two pawns, in a relatively
simple endgame. Undaunted, I fought on,
but for some reason (the missing Rook) the
tactics always favored him. The funny thing
was, I did not realize I was down a Rook at
first, but only after I noticed that things
were not going well... .


-- help bot

A significant proportion of the moves are forced. He could see further
than your program and that seems to be the way both helpbot and zebediah
* are able to crucify it. They have a good feel for where the event
horizon of theGetclublookahead is and construct situations where they
can see the right path and the program cannot.

Today, A mistake was found and the Game was Corrected. Now it will
look deeper in such moves.

I played a game against Rybka. For the first time I saw Rybka playing
such a bad game. It played a wrong move So that its Knight got
trapped.

It keeps thinking without making any move may be it resigned.

Game Played between Rybka and easy at GetClub.com

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Rybka: (White)
easy: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...669&game=Chess
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White -- Black
(Rybka) -- (easy)

1. e2-e4{50} e7-e5{0}
2. Ng1-f3{14} Nb8-c6{0}
3. Bf1-c4{14} Ng8-f6{0}
4. Nf3-g5{12} d7-d5{42}
5. e4-d5{18} b7-b5{40}
6. d5-c6{26} b5-c4{20}
7. Nb1-c3{14} h7-h6{26}
8. Ng5-f3{22} Bc8-g4{38}
9. Ke1-g1{16} e5-e4{20}
10. Rf1-e1{24} Qd8-e7{20}
11. d2-d4{20} c4-d3{26}
12. c2-d3{28} Ke8-c8{30}
13. Qd1-a4{20} Rd8-d3{34}
14. Nc3-e4{14} Rd3-f3{30}
15. Qa4-a7{24} Qe7-b4{24}
16. Qa7-a8{20} Qb4-b8{30}
17. Ne4-f6{28} Bg4-e6{20}
18. Qa8-b8{26} Kc8-b8{32}
19. Nf6-d7{26} Kb8-c8{22}
20. g2-f3{20} Bf8-d6{30}
21. Bc1-e3{26} Be6-d5{20}
22. Be3-c5{28} Bd5-c6{30}
23. Bc5-d6{24} c7-d6{34}
24. Nd7-b6{26} Kc8-c7{48}
25. Nb6-c4{22} Bc6-d5{50}
26. Re1-e7{32} Kc7-d8{24}
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Rybka: (White)
easy: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...669&game=Chess

Do you see any improvement in GetClubs Game?

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

* In one of my recent over-the-board games,
I made a double Rook sacrifice which was
*supposed* to net the opponent's Queen,
two pawns, and an ongoing attack on the
mass of weak central pawns. *Instead, when
the smoke had cleared, I found myself down
a Rook for only two pawns, in a relatively
simple endgame. *Undaunted, I fought on,

I have seen many times you give Rook for Bishops. But hang on today
the GetClub game was further improved as a Bug was found. Now GetClub
will play much stronger games and will not come under such tricks.

Today in a game even Rybka did a mistake and GetClub trapped its
knight but then Rybka hanged and do not make any move.

Game Played between Rybka and easy at GetClub.com


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Rybka: (White)
easy: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...669&game=Chess
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White -- Black
(Rybka) -- (easy)


1. e2-e4{50} e7-e5{0}
2. Ng1-f3{14} Nb8-c6{0}
3. Bf1-c4{14} Ng8-f6{0}
4. Nf3-g5{12} d7-d5{42}
5. e4-d5{18} b7-b5{40}
6. d5-c6{26} b5-c4{20}
7. Nb1-c3{14} h7-h6{26}
8. Ng5-f3{22} Bc8-g4{38}
9. Ke1-g1{16} e5-e4{20}
10. Rf1-e1{24} Qd8-e7{20}
11. d2-d4{20} c4-d3{26}
12. c2-d3{28} Ke8-c8{30}
13. Qd1-a4{20} Rd8-d3{34}
14. Nc3-e4{14} Rd3-f3{30}
15. Qa4-a7{24} Qe7-b4{24}
16. Qa7-a8{20} Qb4-b8{30}
17. Ne4-f6{28} Bg4-e6{20}
18. Qa8-b8{26} Kc8-b8{32}
19. Nf6-d7{26} Kb8-c8{22}
20. g2-f3{20} Bf8-d6{30}
21. Bc1-e3{26} Be6-d5{20}
22. Be3-c5{28} Bd5-c6{30}
23. Bc5-d6{24} c7-d6{34}
24. Nd7-b6{26} Kc8-c7{48}
25. Nb6-c4{22} Bc6-d5{50}
26. Re1-e7{32} Kc7-d8{24}
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Rybka: (White)
easy: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...669&game=Chess


Do you see any improvement in GetClubs Game?


Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Sanny wrote:
A significant proportion of the moves are forced. He could see further
than your program and that seems to be the way both helpbot and zebediah
are able to crucify it. They have a good feel for where the event
horizon of theGetclublookahead is and construct situations where they
can see the right path and the program cannot.


Today, A mistake was found and the Game was Corrected. Now it will
look deeper in such moves.

I played a game against Rybka. For the first time I saw Rybka playing
such a bad game. It played a wrong move So that its Knight got
trapped.

It keeps thinking without making any move may be it resigned.

Keep dreaming. I am not even sure which knight you think was trapped.
Rybka is completely winning the game you posted and has been ever since
black's 8th move. GC's approach was crazy, your program opened up the
position of its own king while still having poor development and that
without having any counter-chances.

Keep dreaming. I am not even sure which knight you think was trapped.
Rybka is completely winning the game you posted and has been ever since
black's 8th move. GC's approach was crazy, your program opened up the
position of its own king while still having poor development and that
without having any counter-chances.- Hide quoted text -

When Rybka played 26. Re7

26. Re1-e7{32} Kc7-d8{24}

GetClub Played K-d8 Now Rybka has to save both its Rook and Knight?
Rook is being killed by King and Knight is being threathened by
Bishop.

So Only Correct move for Rybka is Nb6 and Give away its Rook for a
Bishop.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Sanny wrote:

So Only Correct move for Rybka is Nb6 and Give away its Rook for a
Bishop.

That would be the one of the worst moves Rybka can make.
I would suggest Ra7 and agree with Björn: The position is hopeless
for GetClub.

Markus

Sanny wrote:
Keep dreaming. I am not even sure which knight you think was trapped.
Rybka is completely winning the game you posted and has been ever since
black's 8th move. GC's approach was crazy, your program opened up the
position of its own king while still having poor development and that
without having any counter-chances.- Hide quoted text -

The castling long into the mating trap with the pawn on c6 is novel you
have to give him that. But it looks more like part of a helpmate game!

When Rybka played 26. Re7

26. Re1-e7{32} Kc7-d8{24}

GetClub Played K-d8 Now Rybka has to save both its Rook and Knight?
Rook is being killed by King and Knight is being threathened by
Bishop.

So Only Correct move for Rybka is Nb6 and Give away its Rook for a
Bishop.

Not at all 27. Ra7 wins easily. You can't take the N safely.
If 27. ... BxN then 28. Ra8+ Ke7 29. RxR

So yes - you can win the knight but only by losing yet another rook.

Regards,
Martin Brown
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On Apr 24, 5:19*pm, Markus Islinger wrote:
Sanny wrote:

So Only Correct move for Rybka is Nb6 and Give away its Rook for a
Bishop.

That would be the one of the worst moves Rybka can make.
I would suggest Ra7 and agree with Björn: The position is hopeless
forGetClub.

Markus

R-a7, Yes I missed this move Ok this will save the Knight. As Rybka
can play Ra8 taking the GetClubs Rook if GetClub plays BxN.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

On Apr 24, 1:53 am, Sanny wrote:

I played a game against Rybka. For the first time I saw Rybka playing
such a bad game. It played a wrong move So that its Knight got
trapped.

It keeps thinking without making any move may be it resigned.


I replayed this game and it looks like the GetClub
program is *down a Rook*. Nice tactical shots by
both sides, but when the smoke cleared, Easy
level crawled out of the rubble with an appendage
missing (the Rook).


-- help bot