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Schliemann 5. Nxe4 d5 6. Ng3 e4 ?



 
 
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Old December 23rd 03, 11:23 AM
Peter Billam
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Default Schliemann 5. Nxe4 d5 6. Ng3 e4 ?

Greetings. I've been looking at a line in the Schliemann defence:
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 f5 4. Nc3 fe 5. Nxe4 d5 6. Ng3 e4

White's best is 7. Nd4, and Alexei Suetin, in "The Complete
Spanish" Batsford, 1991, then gives some analysis by Keres:

7. Nd4 Qf6!? 8. Qh5+ Ke7 9. Ndf5+

(there's a misprint here; the book says Nhf5+ :-(

9. ... Ke6 10. Qe8+ Nce7 "with sharp play (Keres)"

That makes it sound as if the position is unclear. Well, let's
see: 11. c4 is tempting because it avoids the Bb5 being chased:

11. c4 c6 12. cd5 cd5 to me this looks very good for White. E.g.

13. d3 (or O-O) g6 14. Ne3 (or 13. dxe4!? gxf5 14. exf5+ Ke5)
14. ... ed3 15. O-O Qf7 Qd8
and surely White holds all the trumps ?

I'm trying to avoid 6. ... Bg4 7. O-O!? Nf6 8. c4! Bc5 9. Bxc6+ bc 10.
Qa4 O-O 11. Nxe5 Qd6 12. Nd3! Bd4 13. c5! (Geller-Inkiov, Moscow 1986)

Can Black fight on in the 6. ... e4 line ?


Regards, Peter Billam

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Old December 23rd 03, 07:19 PM
Tom
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Default Schliemann 5. Nxe4 d5 6. Ng3 e4 ?

Peter Billam wrote in message ...
Greetings. I've been looking at a line in the Schliemann defence:
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 f5 4. Nc3 fe 5. Nxe4 d5 6. Ng3 e4

White's best is 7. Nd4, and Alexei Suetin, in "The Complete
Spanish" Batsford, 1991, then gives some analysis by Keres:

7. Nd4 Qf6!? 8. Qh5+ Ke7 9. Ndf5+

(there's a misprint here; the book says Nhf5+ :-(

9. ... Ke6 10. Qe8+ Nce7 "with sharp play (Keres)"


I believe 10. Qe8+ to be wrong :

10. Bxc6 bxc6 11. Qe8+ Ne7 12. Nxe7 Bb7 13. Nc8+! Qe7 14. Qxe7+ Bxe7
15. Nxe7 Kxe7 16. b3 +-
-or-
10. Bxc6 g6 11. Bxd5 Kxd5 12. Ne3+ Ke6 13. Qd5+ Ke7 14. Nxe4 Qg7 15.
d4 +-

I don't believe I'm missing a critical variation here. If I am,
please correct me

Can Black fight on in the 6. ... e4 line ?


I believe it's drawish at best after 9. ... Bxf5 10. Nxf5+ Kd8. I
believe 9. ... Ke6 to lead to heavy material losses with no
compensation for black.
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Old December 23rd 03, 11:37 PM
Roman M. Parparov
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Default Schliemann 5. Nxe4 d5 6. Ng3 e4 ?

Peter Billam wrote:
Greetings. I've been looking at a line in the Schliemann defence:
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 f5 4. Nc3 fe 5. Nxe4 d5 6. Ng3 e4

White's best is 7. Nd4, and Alexei Suetin, in "The Complete
Spanish" Batsford, 1991, then gives some analysis by Keres:

7. Nd4 Qf6!? 8. Qh5+ Ke7 9. Ndf5+

(there's a misprint here; the book says Nhf5+ :-(

9. ... Ke6 10. Qe8+ Nce7 "with sharp play (Keres)"

There was an improvement which other poster said. It was posted in late 80s
in Shahmaty Riga journal.

In any case black doesn't have a compensation for the loss of castling.

That makes it sound as if the position is unclear. Well, let's
see: 11. c4 is tempting because it avoids the Bb5 being chased:

11. c4 c6 12. cd5 cd5 to me this looks very good for White. E.g.

13. d3 (or O-O) g6 14. Ne3 (or 13. dxe4!? gxf5 14. exf5+ Ke5)
14. ... ed3 15. O-O Qf7 Qd8
and surely White holds all the trumps ?

I'm trying to avoid 6. ... Bg4 7. O-O!? Nf6 8. c4! Bc5 9. Bxc6+ bc 10.
Qa4 O-O 11. Nxe5 Qd6 12. Nd3! Bd4 13. c5! (Geller-Inkiov, Moscow 1986)

Can Black fight on in the 6. ... e4 line ?

I think there was an improvement for black, look up internet opening
archives for it.


Regards, Peter Billam


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Old December 25th 03, 09:01 AM
Andrew Kaniak
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Default Schliemann 5. Nxe4 d5 6. Ng3 e4 ?

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 f5 4.Nc3 fxe4 5.Nxe4 d5 6.Ng3 e4 7.Nd4 Qf6 8.Qh5+
Ke7 9.Ndf5+ Kd8?! 9....Kd8 is from Deep Fritz 7 opening book.
[Deep Fritz 8: 9...Bxf5 10.Nxf5+ Ke6 11.Ne3 Up to here 11.Ne3 is Power
Books2003
which follows 11....Nge7? which is evaluated as a mistake by DF8 better is
11...Qe5 12.Qh3+ Kf7;

9...Ke6?? 10.Bxc6!? bxc6 11.Qe8+ Ne7 12.Nxe7 Bb7 13.Nc8+ Qe7 14.Qxe7+ Bxe7
15.Nxe7+- Kxe7 black are lost.
if you need more I can keep digging.

Regards,
Andrew

"Roman M. Parparov" wrote in message
...
Peter Billam wrote:
Greetings. I've been looking at a line in the Schliemann defence:
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 f5 4. Nc3 fe 5. Nxe4 d5 6. Ng3 e4

White's best is 7. Nd4, and Alexei Suetin, in "The Complete
Spanish" Batsford, 1991, then gives some analysis by Keres:

7. Nd4 Qf6!? 8. Qh5+ Ke7 9. Ndf5+

(there's a misprint here; the book says Nhf5+ :-(

9. ... Ke6 10. Qe8+ Nce7 "with sharp play (Keres)"

There was an improvement which other poster said. It was posted in late

80s
in Shahmaty Riga journal.

In any case black doesn't have a compensation for the loss of castling.

That makes it sound as if the position is unclear. Well, let's
see: 11. c4 is tempting because it avoids the Bb5 being chased:

11. c4 c6 12. cd5 cd5 to me this looks very good for White. E.g.

13. d3 (or O-O) g6 14. Ne3 (or 13. dxe4!? gxf5 14. exf5+ Ke5)
14. ... ed3 15. O-O Qf7 Qd8
and surely White holds all the trumps ?

I'm trying to avoid 6. ... Bg4 7. O-O!? Nf6 8. c4! Bc5 9. Bxc6+ bc 10.
Qa4 O-O 11. Nxe5 Qd6 12. Nd3! Bd4 13. c5! (Geller-Inkiov, Moscow 1986)

Can Black fight on in the 6. ... e4 line ?

I think there was an improvement for black, look up internet opening
archives for it.


Regards, Peter Billam


--
Roman M. Parparov - NASA EOSDIS project node at TAU technical manager.
Email: http://www.nasa.proj.ac.il
Phone/Fax: +972-(0)3-6405205 (work), +972-(0)51-34-18-34 (home)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The economy depends about as much on economists as the weather does on
weather forecasters.
-- Jean-Paul Kauffmann



 




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