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Has chess openings been solved? In other words has it been determined
what the single best response is to each position that can occur in say the first 10 moves of a game? |
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Has chess openings been solved? In other words has it been determined
what the single best response is to each position that can occur in say the first 10 moves of a game? Depends on what is understood by "the single best response". It has been proved mathematically that chess (belonging to a class of games with certain properties) is solvable in the sense that every (legal) position can be calculated (in a finite number of steps) to be either a win for white, a draw, or a win for black. One can understand the property "is a win for white" intuitively by thinking of a guaranteed path to victory no matter what black does. "is a draw" similarly loosely means that white has a path to at least a draw, while black has the same. However, not many chess positions have been calculated to a definitive conclusion compared to the total number of legal chess positions. Among the non-calculated positions is the starting position and practically all "chess opening positions", so in this strict sense, chess openings have not been solved. While it's not very likely that "early" positions are ever going to be calculated to a definitive conclusion, one can always make a more or less educated guess at their principal state. A majority of "chess people" seems to think that chess (or rather, the starting position) is a draw, as are positions arising from the most popular ways of playing the opening. Hans Berliner on the other hand believes chess is a win for white. Whatever is the final, correct answer, note that thinking in this way entails that by "best response" we should simply mean a move that does not lead to a position of another principal state. For instance, it may very well be that all of white's legal 1st moves lead to principally drawn positions, while none of them lead to won positions. In this case, all white's possible 1st moves are "best" moves. From this observation we can infer that thinking in terms of "principally" best moves is usually not the best way to optimize results in pratical play, especially not in the opening phase. Indeed, chessplayers instead normally talk about moves leading to "better winning chances in practical play" than other moves. This can only be a contextual and subjective definition. There is no consensus about what opening moves to recommend as "optimal winning chance enhancing moves". Some moves have been weeded out as "practically inferior" though. For instance, most chess players would probably agree that 1. e4 leads to better practical winning chances than 1. f3, even though it has never been disproved that they both lead to principally drawn positions. |
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On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:26:31 +0100, "Alkelele"
alkelele-funnyA-tdcadsl.dk wrote: It has been proved mathematically that chess (belonging to a class of games with certain properties) is solvable in the sense that every (legal) One position in Checkers/draughts occurring after three half-moves has recently been proven to be a draw. That's something, but that's a LONG way from what the OP asked. --- Replace you know what by j to email |
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Jud McCranie wrote:
"Alkelele" alkelele-funnyA-tdcadsl.dk wrote: It has been proved mathematically that chess (belonging to a class of games with certain properties) is solvable in the sense that [...] One position in Checkers/draughts occurring after three half-moves has recently been proven to be a draw. That's something, but that's a LONG way from what the OP asked. That's nothing. Four positions in chess occurring after three half-moves were proven to be won years and years ago. Dave. -- David Richerby Pickled Disgusting Gnome (TM): it's www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ like a smiling garden ornament but it'll turn your stomach and it's preserved in vinegar! |
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On 25 Feb 2005 23:48:05 +0000 (GMT), David Richerby
wrote: One position in Checkers/draughts occurring after three half-moves has recently been proven to be a draw. That's something, but that's a LONG way from what the OP asked. That's nothing. Four positions in chess occurring after three half-moves were proven to be won years and years ago. I hope you're joking. --- Replace you know what by j to email |
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"chessisbest" wrote
Has chess openings been solved? In other words has it been determined what the single best response is to each position that can occur in say the first 10 moves of a game? "White wins in X moves against any defense" results in what computer scientists call a "combinatorial explosion:" There are simply too many combinations of possible moves. All you can do is investigate winning lines of play. ("White loses in X moves" is easy.) -- Craig Franck Cortland, NY |
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"Jud McCranie" wrote in message ... On 25 Feb 2005 23:48:05 +0000 (GMT), David Richerby wrote: One position in Checkers/draughts occurring after three half-moves has recently been proven to be a draw. That's something, but that's a LONG way from what the OP asked. That's nothing. Four positions in chess occurring after three half-moves were proven to be won years and years ago. I hope you're joking. He is not joking - Work it out. Regards |
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On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 07:23:13 -0000, "Terry"
wrote: I hope you're joking. He is not joking - Work it out. I'm not saying that he is joking about fools mate, but the implication that it is on the order of magnitude of showing the checkers position after three half moves was a draw. --- Replace you know what by j to email |
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I'm pretty sure he was joking. You should assume so too. It'll be
easier on you blood pressure. ;-) |
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On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 19:39:10 -0600, David Vancina "djvchess at
comcast dot net" wrote: I'm pretty sure he was joking. You should assume so too. Yes, I did. --- Replace you know what by j to email |
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