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Strange behaviour of Fritz in this problem



 
 
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Old August 4th 03, 05:46 PM
JMR
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Default Strange behaviour of Fritz in this problem

Chess Amateur 1922
Blathy O.T.
Mat in 16 moves
White : King e1 Pawn h2
Black : King c1 Queen a2 Rock d2,b3 Knight e1,b1 Bishop a3, d1 Pawn b2,b4,
c2,c3,c4,c5,d3,e2
So Black as all his pieces and White only the King + one Pawn

The solution is easy to find as Black has always exactly one legal move :

1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h3 Qa2 3.h4 Qa1 4.h5 Qa2 5.h6 Qa1 6.h7 Qa2 7.h8N Qa1 8.Ng6 Qa2
9.Ne5 Qa1 10.Nd7 Qa2 11.Nxc5 Qa1 12.Ne4 Qa2 13.Nd6 Qa1 14.Nxc4 Qa2 15.Na5
Qa1 16.Nxb3# 1-0

But whatever the time Fitz8 and all other engines give evalution 0.00 before
the 15 move where they announce proudly mat in one !

Why this strange behaviour ?




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Old August 5th 03, 12:41 AM
JMR
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Yes the white king is on f1
Sorry

"CeeBee" a écrit dans le message de
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"JMR" wrote in rec.games.chess.computer:

Chess Amateur 1922
Blathy O.T.
Mat in 16 moves
White : King e1 Pawn h2
Black : King c1 Queen a2 Rock d2,b3 Knight e1,b1 Bishop a3, d1 Pawn
b2,b4, c2,c3,c4,c5,d3,e2



There's both a white king and a black knight on e1.
I guess the white king could be on f1

8/8/8/2p5/1pp5/brpp4/qpprp2P/1nkbnK2 w - - 0 1

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Old August 5th 03, 01:12 AM
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"JMR" wrote in rec.games.chess.computer:

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Rebel 12 pres-release beta announces mate in 15 after 18 seconds on my
machine:


00:00:00.5 0,00 31 172075 Kxe1 Qa1 h3 Qa2 h4 Qa1 h5 Qa2
00:00:00.6 0,00 32 209451 Kxe1 Qa1 h3 Qa2 h4 Qa1 h5 Qa2
00:00:00.7 0,00 33 288622 Kxe1 Qa1 h3 Qa2 h4 Qa1 h5 Qa2
00:00:00.8 0,00 34 359155 Kxe1 Qa1 h3 Qa2 h4 Qa1 h5 Qa2
00:00:01.0 0,00 35 514753 Kxe1 Qa1 h3 Qa2 h4 Qa1 h5 Qa2
00:00:01.1 0,00 36 717358 Kxe1 Qa1 h3 Qa2 h4 Qa1 h5 Qa2
00:00:01.5 0,00 37 1149030 Kxe1 Qa1 h3 Qa2 h4 Qa1 h5 Qa2
00:00:01.9 0,00 38 1502294 Kxe1 Qa1 h3 Qa2 h4 Qa1 h5 Qa2
00:00:03.1 0,00 39 3394629 Kxe1 Qa1 h3 Qa2 h4 Qa1 h5 Qa2
00:00:03.9 0,00 40 4618480 Kxe1 Qa1 h3 Qa2 h4 Qa1 h5 Qa2
00:00:05.9 0,00 41 7405653 Kxe1 Qa1 h3 Qa2 h4 Qa1 h5 Qa2
00:00:06.9 0,00 42 8488350 Kxe1 Qa1 h3 Qa2 h4 Qa1 h5 Qa2
00:00:18.3 Mate in 15 43 19829399 Kxe1 Qa1 h3 Qa2 h4 Qa1 h5 Qa2
00:00:18.4 Mate in 15 43 19829399 Kxe1 Qa1 h3 Qa2 h4 Qa1 h5 Qa2


Maybe it considers the to-and-fro shuffle of the queen from a1 to a2
leading to a draw by threefold repetition.

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Old August 5th 03, 01:30 AM
Michael Byrne
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"JMR" wrote in message ...
Chess Amateur 1922
Blathy O.T.
Mat in 16 moves
White : King e1 Pawn h2
Black : King c1 Queen a2 Rock d2,b3 Knight e1,b1 Bishop a3, d1 Pawn b2,b4,
c2,c3,c4,c5,d3,e2
So Black as all his pieces and White only the King + one Pawn

The solution is easy to find as Black has always exactly one legal move :

1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h3 Qa2 3.h4 Qa1 4.h5 Qa2 5.h6 Qa1 6.h7 Qa2 7.h8N Qa1 8.Ng6 Qa2
9.Ne5 Qa1 10.Nd7 Qa2 11.Nxc5 Qa1 12.Ne4 Qa2 13.Nd6 Qa1 14.Nxc4 Qa2 15.Na5
Qa1 16.Nxb3# 1-0

But whatever the time Fitz8 and all other engines give evalution 0.00 before
the 15 move where they announce proudly mat in one !

Why this strange behaviour ?


I think you got the position wrong:

The king sees mate the mate for white in second on my machine.

2.h3 wins, 2.h4 only draws

New game
8/8/8/2p5/1pp5/brpp4/qpprp2P/1nkbnK2 w - - 0 1

Analysis by The King SE:

1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5
-+ (-38.84) Depth: 3 00:00:00
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6
-+ (-38.50) Depth: 4 00:00:00
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q
-+ (-29.88) Depth: 5 00:00:00
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2 7.Qe5
-+ (-29.69) Depth: 6 00:00:00 1kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2 7.Qe5 Qa1 8.Qxc5
-+ (-28.82) Depth: 7 00:00:00 1kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2 7.Qe5 Qa1 8.Qh8
= (0.00) Depth: 8 00:00:00 2kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2 7.Qe5 Qa1 8.Qh8
= (0.00) Depth: 9 00:00:00 3kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2 7.Qe5 Qa1 8.Qh8
= (0.00) Depth: 10 00:00:00 6kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2 7.Qe5 Qa1 8.Qh8
= (0.00) Depth: 11 00:00:00 9kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2 7.Qe5 Qa1 8.Qh8
= (0.00) Depth: 12 00:00:00 15kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2 7.Qe5 Qa1 8.Qh8
= (0.00) Depth: 13 00:00:00 29kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2 7.Qe5 Qa1 8.Qh8
= (0.00) Depth: 14 00:00:00 52kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2 7.Qe5 Qa1 8.Qh8
= (0.00) Depth: 15 00:00:00 90kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2 7.Qe5 Qa1 8.Qh8
= (0.00) Depth: 16 00:00:00 143kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2 7.Qe5 Qa1 8.Qh8
= (0.00) Depth: 17 00:00:00 208kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2 7.Qe5 Qa1 8.Qh8
= (0.00) Depth: 18 00:00:00 287kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h3 Qa2 3.h4 Qa1 4.h5 Qa2 5.h6 Qa1 6.h7 Qa2 7.h8N Qa1 8.Ng6 Qa2
9.Nf4 Qa1 10.Ne6 Qa2 11.Nxc5 Qa1 12.Nd7 Qa2 13.Ne5 Qa1 14.Nxc4 Qa2 15.Na5 Qa1
16.Nxb3#
+- (99.69) Depth: 19 00:00:01 381kN

(Byrne, Secane, PA USA 04.08.2003)
  #5  
Old August 5th 03, 01:36 AM
John Merlino
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Default Strange behaviour of Fritz in this problem

"JMR" wrote in message ...
Chess Amateur 1922
Blathy O.T.
Mat in 16 moves
White : King e1 Pawn h2
Black : King c1 Queen a2 Rock d2,b3 Knight e1,b1 Bishop a3, d1 Pawn b2,b4,
c2,c3,c4,c5,d3,e2
So Black as all his pieces and White only the King + one Pawn

The solution is easy to find as Black has always exactly one legal move :

1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h3 Qa2 3.h4 Qa1 4.h5 Qa2 5.h6 Qa1 6.h7 Qa2 7.h8N Qa1 8.Ng6 Qa2
9.Ne5 Qa1 10.Nd7 Qa2 11.Nxc5 Qa1 12.Ne4 Qa2 13.Nd6 Qa1 14.Nxc4 Qa2 15.Na5
Qa1 16.Nxb3# 1-0

But whatever the time Fitz8 and all other engines give evalution 0.00 before
the 15 move where they announce proudly mat in one !

Why this strange behaviour ?


The position that you give above is clearly wrong. I'm pretty sure
that White's King should be on f1.

If this is correct, then Chessmaster 9000 announces Mate in 16 in
three seconds on a P3-733.

jm


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