I know i ask dumb questions some time because i have webtv and it is so
simple to use..

I do not have a real computer .....

Maybe some day ill get one ?

"SAT W-7" wrote in message
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I know i ask dumb questions some time because i have webtv and it is so
simple to use..

I do not have a real computer .....

Maybe some day ill get one ?


I'm taking a survey of people who use webtv. Do you drive a lada?

On Apr 13, 11:07 pm, "I was better but....." wrote:
"George" wrote in message

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On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:50:27 GMT, "I was better but....."
wrote:

Fritz 8? I have some 8-track cassettes you might be interested in.

Pass, my Fritz 8 is newer than the car I drive, and it has a Bose 6 CD
in dash player with 6+1 speakers.

Try to keep up.

You're the guy that needs to keep up moron. Fritz 8 is several years old,

It is old enough that there are certainly more powerful engines
around, but it is still a pretty good engine for anyone weaker than a
GM. For many casual club players it may even have advantages because
it can be tuned to play plausible rated games down to about ELO 1600
whereas the rating floor for Shredder10 is ELO 1950. The rush for
enhanced strength has produced a crop of state of the art engines that
are immensely strong but do not simulate lifelike human errors so well
when asked to play well below their maximum design strength.

The main practical advantage for the newer engines is that they are a
bit faster or more thorough at annotating games.

Regards,
Martin Brown

"Martin Brown" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Apr 13, 11:07 pm, "I was better but....." wrote:
"George" wrote in message

...

On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:50:27 GMT, "I was better but....."
wrote:

Fritz 8? I have some 8-track cassettes you might be interested in.

Pass, my Fritz 8 is newer than the car I drive, and it has a Bose 6 CD
in dash player with 6+1 speakers.

Try to keep up.

You're the guy that needs to keep up moron. Fritz 8 is several years old,

It is old enough that there are certainly more powerful engines
around, but it is still a pretty good engine for anyone weaker than a
GM.

That comment has been made over and over again, mostly by weak class players
who continue to miss the point. With your line of reasoning, there is no
need to make any improvements at all! Why invent tablebases? Why improve the
opening book? Why improve your database? Most players still can't beat the
program without the improvements, right?

Tournament chess players who buy fritz don't buy it to play against, if
indeed they ever play against it. They buy it primarily to assist them in
reviewing their games and analyzing particular lines or positions. A
stronger engine makes a big difference in the quality of the analysis. This
is in addition to improvements to the gui and increased functionality. Two
other points you failed to mention.


The main practical advantage for the newer engines is that they are a
bit faster or more thorough at annotating games.

You don't have a clue what you're talking about Martin. Speed has nothing
whatsoever to do with anything. In fact, Rybka 2.3 runs much slower than
even Fritz 8. It is, however, much stronger than anything Chessbase has ever
put out. The increased strength of the engine is reason enough to upgrade.
See the previous paragraph. But again you fail to mention, or don't
understand, that there are other things being upgraded in addition to engine
strength.....GUI, Database, Opening Book, Functionality.

JMR

On Apr 16, 12:22 pm, "I was better but....." wrote:
"Martin Brown" wrote in message

ups.com...

On Apr 13, 11:07 pm, "I was better but....." wrote:

You're the guy that needs to keep up moron. Fritz 8 is several years old,

It is old enough that there are certainly more powerful engines
around, but it is still a pretty good engine for anyone weaker than a
GM.

That comment has been made over and over again, mostly by weak class players
who continue to miss the point. With your line of reasoning, there is no
need to make any improvements at all! Why invent tablebases? Why improve the
opening book? Why improve your database? Most players still can't beat the
program without the improvements, right?

If they want to play against the engine then they are probably better
off with one that plays a varied and interesting game of chess at
strengths where they can sometimes win. The top flight engines now
make a poor fist of playing down to the level of ordinary club
players.

Tournament chess players who buy fritz don't buy it to play against, if
indeed they ever play against it. They buy it primarily to assist them in
reviewing their games and analyzing particular lines or positions. A
stronger engine makes a big difference in the quality of the analysis. This
is in addition to improvements to the gui and increased functionality. Two
other points you failed to mention.

The main practical advantage for the newer engines is that they are a
bit faster or more thorough at annotating games.

You don't have a clue what you're talking about Martin. Speed has nothing
whatsoever to do with anything. In fact, Rybka 2.3 runs much slower than
even Fritz 8. It is, however, much stronger than anything Chessbase has ever
put out. The increased strength of the engine is reason enough to upgrade.

You are very low grade troll. I know more about computer chess than
you will ever do.

The rate of increase of effective playing strength with elapsed
computation time is what matters.

Shredder and Rybka evaluate many fewer nodes than Fritz but win out
longer term by having more efficient pruning coming in part from a
more sophisticated evaluation function with a better understanding of
positional advantage. Even running them flat out they still sometimes
need guiding by human hand to find the strongest moves. There are some
positions that suit one engine much more than another - only trial and
error will work for them.

And incidentally there are some puzzle type positions that will
effectively break CB engines infinite analysis mode with muliple lines
displayed - grinding them to a virtual standstill in about a minute.

See the previous paragraph. But again you fail to mention, or don't
understand, that there are other things being upgraded in addition to engine
strength.....GUI, Database, Opening Book, Functionality.

Oh yes. Like we all really needed that useless Turk 3D graphics
caricature gimmick?

Shredderbases are the most recent compelling "buy me" innovation that
represents a major enhancement.

I don't consider the newest GUI a step forwards at all. I want a clean
simple way to bind different engine configurations to icons. I do not
need a different desktop icon for every CB engine installed which just
starts the GUI with the most recently used engine in that version. It
really is a mess with multiple engines installed.

(a somewhat risky script that works for doing this was sent to me
privately by a kind individual who posts here)

However, it is still better then Chessmasters GUI which is horribly
cluttered.

Regards,
Martin Brown

"George" wrote in message
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On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:23:04 +0200, "Bark!" wrote:


www.chessbase.com has many engines for download and its free,

I took a look there, but couldn't find any...can you give me a better
link please?

but comercial
engines,..... I dont know, I think you have to pay.

Yup...that's what it looks like...thanks for the reply Bark.

-George

http://www.chessbase.com/download/download2.asp

On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 22:07:59 GMT, "I was better but....."
wrote:


"George" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:50:27 GMT, "I was better but....."
wrote:

Fritz 8? I have some 8-track cassettes you might be interested in.

Pass, my Fritz 8 is newer than the car I drive, and it has a Bose 6 CD
in dash player with 6+1 speakers.

Try to keep up.

You're the guy that needs to keep up moron.

LOL! Childish name calling? how old are you?

Fritz 8 is several years old,
and two generations behind.

It serves my purpose just fine, thank you.

And most people are intelligent enough to figure
out on their own that the time to obsolescence with computer technology is
much faster than with a vehicle.

Umm...I wasn't referencing computer technology as it pertains to
automobiles, but rather, your immature comment about 8 tracks tapes.

Amazing how this simple concept needs to be
explained to you.

What's amazing, is you inability to grasp even the most simple
concepts and situations.

Looks like you're another one of those low elo, low IQ
trolls that likes to hang around chess discussion groups to try to "feel"
smart.

LOL! Again...you lack reason. First, are you claiming this group is
reserved for "high" elo holders only? Second, I know what my IQ is,
and given you "contributions" here, I would feel safe giving odds mine
is higher than yours. And lastly, do you even know what a troll is? I
ask, because YOU are actually the biggest one here.

Take care, and good luck in life.

On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 22:11:41 GMT, "I was better but....."
wrote:


"George" wrote in message
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On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:36:36 +0100, Eric Hallsworth
wrote:

The copy protection on the ChessBase dvds is the same for all engines

There is no "copy protection" on any Chessbase product whatsoever. There
never has been. You better start weening off those heavy
prescription(non-prescription) drugs you're on.

-
when I upgraded from Junior10 to 10.1 it asked for the dvd to check I
was a genuine owner

Nonsense, it simply asks if you have the program, a copy of the program, or
an image file of either the program or a copy of it. As was stated to
you.....there never has been any copy protection on any chessbase product
EVER.

Chess isn't for everyone George.

JMR

Again, you demonstrate a lack of understanding, but this time, its how
Usenet works.

The person you were replying to was not me. If you need me to explain
to you how newsgroups operate, and how to address, and respond to the
person you think you are, give me a shout...Ill be happy to educate
you.

Otherwise...try to keep up.

Good luck.

-George

"George" wrote in message
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On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 22:07:59 GMT, "I was better but....."
wrote:


"George" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:50:27 GMT, "I was better but....."
wrote:

Fritz 8? I have some 8-track cassettes you might be interested in.

Pass, my Fritz 8 is newer than the car I drive, and it has a Bose 6 CD
in dash player with 6+1 speakers.

Try to keep up.

You're the guy that needs to keep up moron.

LOL! Childish name calling? how old are you?

It's not "name-calling". It's an objective fact. You are indeed a MORON! Age
jokes are as lame and prozaic as could possibly be.....further evidence of a
low IQ.

Fritz 8 is several years old,
and two generations behind.

It serves my purpose just fine, thank you.

I'm curious why you low IQ, low elo types even try to play chess in the
first place?


And most people are intelligent enough to figure
out on their own that the time to obsolescence with computer technology is
much faster than with a vehicle.

Umm...I wasn't referencing computer technology as it pertains to
automobiles,

Actually, that's exactly what you were doing moron. Your specifically said
"my Fritz 8 is newer than the car I drive", suggesting that if your car
isn't obsolete after X+1 years, then your Fritz 8 cannot be obsolete after X
years. Did you forget saying that? They were YOUR OWN WORDS. You can't
actually be this mentally retarded can you?

Were there any words too big or complex for you to understand? Any concepts
too deep for you? I know that basic algebra is going to be very challenging
for you there boy george, but get your mommy to explain it to you a few
times and hopefully it will sink in.

JMR

"George" wrote in message
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On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 22:11:41 GMT, "I was better but....."
wrote:


"George" wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:36:36 +0100, Eric Hallsworth
wrote:

The copy protection on the ChessBase dvds is the same for all engines

There is no "copy protection" on any Chessbase product whatsoever. There
never has been. You better start weening off those heavy
prescription(non-prescription) drugs you're on.

-
when I upgraded from Junior10 to 10.1 it asked for the dvd to check I
was a genuine owner

Nonsense, it simply asks if you have the program, a copy of the program,
or
an image file of either the program or a copy of it. As was stated to
you.....there never has been any copy protection on any chessbase product
EVER.

Chess isn't for everyone George.

JMR


Boy george here, the new resident retard, still doesn't understand this
simple concept even though I condescended and explained it in a way a 6 year
old could understand.

Why do low IQ, low elo morons like you even try to play chess george?

JMR