If he doesn't take the suggestion, then perhaps he won't be pestering this
group much longer, but if he does, perhaps he will put out a better product.

Yes, Test and play a game.

I am sure you will like its move. Here is how they play now.

Beginner Level: 1700
Easy Level: 1800
Normal Level: 1900
Master Level: 2000


Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

On Sep 12, 10:02 am, Sanny wrote:
But the games do not seem to be recorded accurately, Sanny. Check,
for example, the last game by "Stinky Garlnoot." In the final position
shown, your program, playing White, is clearly busted, being down a
piece with no compensation, yet the game is recorded as a win for
White. Looks like your program just decided it didn't want to lose, so
it declared itself the winner and stopped the game.

May be he pressed "Resign Now" Button by Mistake.


Sanny, on other Web sites they make you "confirm"
a resignation in order to avoid any claims to have
clicked a button by mistake. At one, RedHotPawn,
you must confirm and then *reconfirm*, apparently
so they can just laugh at any claims by players
that it was just a slip of the hand. This might be a
bit annoying to those players who resign frequently
(I wouldn't know anything about that, of course).


My experience is that the GetClub Web site is very
buggy. Countless times I have been playing a game
and a new window pops up, displaying my Home Page;
I wonder if someone else on the site has clicked on my
Home page, or if this is just another crazy bug which
happens at random (usually when I make a move).

I suffer frequent disconnects, and have restarted a
single game *dozens of times* before finally finishing
it. Even when you first log on, you are not taken to
the chess area but instead a screen appears, and
just sits there until you click on the link; only THEN
are you able to see the chess area; this is annoying.

I do like your chessboard colors and pieces. In fact,
I tried another Java program (after being prodded
repeatedly here in rgc to do so) and its pieces were
very weird; I didn't like having to analyze on such an
odd-looking board so I just noted how well it played
and never went back. RedHotPawn seems to have
some computer cheats, although I am not certain of
this, but it seems to have players with low ratings
who are nearly invincible, as if they just bought a
chess program and boy do they like how it "helps"
their game! :D

I am still playing on ChessWorld.net, and have yet
to run into even a single "invincible" 1600 player. I
am guessing that they congregate at or near the top,
where ever that may be (I'm still finishing up a tourney
against newcomers, all started at 1400).

No matter how weak the chess program may be,
people are going to prefer a site which has fewer bugs,
or perhaps, no bugs at all. I see no reason why we
must go through so many steps in order to start a
game; once logged in, it should require but one
click to reach a screen where we can decide to play
rated or unrated, fast or slow, Black or White, and so
forth.


-- help bot

In rec.games.chess.computer Sanny wrote:
Nobody said anything about testing all moves. I said make some unit tests
that can stress various functions in your engine. Then at least, you will
know those functions are working as expected under certain test conditions.


Now most of the Problems has been removed.

Here is how they play now.

Beginner Level: 1700
Easy Level: 1800
Normal Level: 1900
Master Level: 2000



So, did you talk with your *team* and suggest what I have indicated? History
doesn't lend a whole lot of credibility to these ratings above. Perhaps, when
I get the *time*, I will give it a try, as I am not even rated 1700, so I can
play against beginner and see how I do.

--
Thomas T. Veldhouse

We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the
machinations of the wicked.

So, did you talk with your *team* and suggest what I have indicated? History
doesn't lend a whole lot of credibility to these ratings above. Perhaps, when
I get the *time*, I will give it a try, as I am not even rated 1700, so I can
play against beginner and see how I do.

We always test the Product but weak moves are something which is very
difficult to detect. The Big Question is whether the move is correct
or not.

Even Beginner Level plays better than most of us. So it is very
difficult to pin point mistake in the game.

However good players like Nomorechess and Taylor Kingston understand
what moves are wrong.

Now the game has further improved, So I think Higher Levels will give
good challenge to even Strong Players Also.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html

On Sep 12, 11:02 am, Sanny wrote:
But the games do not seem to be recorded accurately, Sanny. Check,
for example, the last game by "Stinky Garlnoot." In the final position
shown, your program, playing White, is clearly busted, being down a
piece with no compensation, yet the game is recorded as a win for
White. Looks like your program just decided it didn't want to lose, so
it declared itself the winner and stopped the game.

May be he pressed "Resign Now" Button by Mistake.

That doesn't make sense, Sanny. If I remember correctly, in the
final position of this game, it is White's move, i.e. your program's
move. (I can't verify that today because the replay function does not
seem to be working.) The "resign now" button is available to a player
only when it is his move. Therefore Black could not have resigned this
game, either intentionally or accidentally.

May be he pressed "Resign Now" Button by Mistake.

That doesn't make sense, Sanny. If I remember correctly, in the
final position of this game, it is White's move, i.e. your program's
move. (I can't verify that today because the replay function does not
seem to be working.) The "resign now" button is available to a player
only when it is his move. Therefore Black could not have resigned this
game, either intentionally or accidentally.

Yes you are correct the last move was of black Bishop by "Stinky
Garlnoot".

I think there may be some other reasion for that. If such thing
happens again. I could see why it happened.

More than 1000 games have been played at GetClub without any problem,
then why it happened in this game is very difficult to say.

The game plays same way on each computer, And same program is loaded
on each computer. So its difficult to understand why it happen in that
game.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Sanny wrote:
PlayChessat:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
Not untilGetClubstops cheating.

Can you give me any example of Cheating?

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html


Failure to observe the time control.

--
Kenneth Sloan
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://www.cis.uab.edu/sloan/

"Kenneth Sloan" wrote in message
...
Sanny wrote:
PlayChessat:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
Not untilGetClubstops cheating.

Can you give me any example of Cheating?

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html


Failure to observe the time control.

I never agree with Ken Sloan, as Sam Slaon points out. In fact I seem to
'attack' him with my comments, non-stop and everyday. So, this message has
evidently nothing to do with my liking of him.

I agree with Ken Sloan that the program cheats non-stop and Sammy cannot
possibly be as nutz@ as he pretends, or can he? Who is Sanny? And what is
this ludicrous consulting company that rests on the cheating chess engine as
marketing device?

The thing with computer chess programs is that they do exactly what their
programmers tells them to do... and since Sanny spams any group who engages
him, will he instead engage himself, and let others say the program is
'improved' or something? Has anyone ever done that?

Or does the program ever do what Sanny says the program does, ever?

Here it continues to cheat time controls as 'my enemy' Ken Sloan says. Can
Sanny work on that and tell us only if it/he doesn't cheat anymore,
otherwise it/he is a constant liar. And we/we seem to universaly think
so-so!

Would Sanny agree that if he tells another lie in public about his engine,
and everyone thinks its a lie, that he is actually lying; should post no
more here, award no more awards; claim master levels for his 1300 engine, et
cetera?

Will he? Will you Sanny?

Phil Innes


--
Kenneth Sloan
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://www.cis.uab.edu/sloan/

On Sep 12, 12:01 pm, Sanny wrote:

More than 1000 games have been played at GetClub without any problem


Huh?

I think my browser must be malfunctioning...

And my operating system...

And my monitor...

No way can I be seeing those words; no way, no how.


-- help bot

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On Sep 12, 6:01 pm, Sanny wrote:

Beginner Level: 1700
Easy Level: 1800
Normal Level: 1900
Master Level: 2000

Those numbers are exaggerated by roughly 750 to 1000 points. A 1500
player wipes the floor with your program. Sanny, just to give you an
idea of how bad your program is: today it got beaten on easy level by
my mobile phone - not some fancy smart phone, no an ordinary three
years old Siemens S65. Chessmaster was running as a Java ME
application on it, which I downloaded for 3 Euro. Your program on the
other hand was running inside a Java 6 JVM on a Pentium IV, 3 GHz, 2
GB RAM. Your program was, is and will ever be a joke, some of the
worst pieces of software I ever concountered, written by a severely
limited software developer who has not the slightest idea about chess.
Your "improvements" and fixes don't change anything. You simply don't
have a clue. My advice: give it up, it's a waste of time.

Ralf