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  #11  
Old April 26th 04, 03:12 PM
Damir Ulovec
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Default Fritz 8 Update is buggy (& Shredder 8 too...)

Actually, on Windows 98SE it's "MS-DOS Prompt". So this guy was right.
"Command Prompt" is term on Win2k/WinXP systems...

"CeeBee" wrote in message
. 6.84...
Are you by any chance assuming you're talking to someone who actually
knows what he's talking about? The guy who once claimed "I don't have
anything on my Windows 98se system called "command prompt"?



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  #12  
Old April 26th 04, 04:34 PM
Nonyz
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Default CeeBee = Chessbase shill (n/t)

"Euclid" wrote in message link.net...
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True - and somewhat disconcerting, due to the guy's apparent simple-mindedness.
  #13  
Old April 26th 04, 05:40 PM
Thomas
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Default Fritz 8 Update is buggy (& Shredder 8 too...)

"Euclid" wrote in message news:

It's "hard to say"? It sounds like you're talking in generalities, not me.
Have you tested the GUI in question to look for exceptions or exception
handling? I doubt it. Sounds like you're another wolf in sheep's clothing
working for Chessbase under the table (like CeeBee).
-E


OK, so you can specifically state there is no exception handling? I
guess you obtained the source code, or reverse engineered/decompiled
the executable to obtain that information.

As for me, I haven't updated the GUI yet. And I'll say it again, I
don't doubt there are bugs in the new version, I don't doubt there are
unhandled exceptions. I'm actually not that big of a fan of Chessbase
-- there stuff is full of bugs. But I'm a bigger advocate against
morons spreading disinformation based on zero experience and made-up
terms, so you've trumped them in this case. Congrats.
  #14  
Old April 27th 04, 06:22 AM
Euclid
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"Thomas" wrote in message
...
"Euclid" wrote in message news:

It's "hard to say"? It sounds like you're talking in generalities, not me.
Have you tested the GUI in question to look for exceptions or exception
handling? I doubt it. Sounds like you're another wolf in sheep's clothing
working for Chessbase under the table (like CeeBee).
-E


OK, so you can specifically state there is no exception handling? I
guess you obtained the source code, or reverse engineered/decompiled
the executable to obtain that information.

As for me, I haven't updated the GUI yet. And I'll say it again, I
don't doubt there are bugs in the new version, I don't doubt there are
unhandled exceptions. I'm actually not that big of a fan of Chessbase
-- there stuff is full of bugs. But I'm a bigger advocate against
morons spreading disinformation based on zero experience and made-up
terms, so you've trumped them in this case. Congrats.
_________________

As I thought, you don't know what you're talking about...
-E


  #15  
Old April 27th 04, 06:25 AM
Euclid
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Default Fritz 8 Update is buggy (& Shredder 8 too...)

"CeeBee" wrote in message
. 6.83...
"Damir Ulovec" wrote in
rec.games.chess.computer:

Actually, on Windows 98SE it's "MS-DOS Prompt". So this guy was right.
"Command Prompt" is term on Win2k/WinXP systems...


Actually, you were missing the point.
___________________

Who cares? You are triviality incarnate.
-E


  #16  
Old April 27th 04, 09:56 AM
Damir Ulovec
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Default Fritz 8 Update is buggy (& Shredder 8 too...)

I know, but guy was right anyway. Didn't wrote wrong. All debate about this
is "missing the point".

"CeeBee" wrote in message
. 6.83...
EMH Mark I: "Stop breathing down my neck."
EMH Mark II: "My breath is merely a simulation."
EMH Mark I: "So is my neck. Stop it anyway."


Q: What's the first certain sign that someone's infected with AIDS?
A: Hot breath down his neck, and sharp pain in his *ss.



  #17  
Old April 27th 04, 04:34 PM
Thomas
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Default Fritz 8 Update is buggy (& Shredder 8 too...)

It doesn't seem there's much point in arguing with Euclid. When faced with
an argument, his best defense is to turn it around into a new argument
trying to avoid the original point. Here, instead of arguing why he is
correct (which he isn't), he attempts to spin the argument on you, Tom.
Remember the argument:

"Don't argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and beat
you with years of experience."

Brian

"Euclid" wrote in message
ink.net...
"Thomas" wrote in message
...
"Euclid" wrote in message news:

It's "hard to say"? It sounds like you're talking in generalities, not

me.
Have you tested the GUI in question to look for exceptions or exception
handling? I doubt it. Sounds like you're another wolf in sheep's

clothing
working for Chessbase under the table (like CeeBee).
-E


OK, so you can specifically state there is no exception handling? I
guess you obtained the source code, or reverse engineered/decompiled
the executable to obtain that information.

As for me, I haven't updated the GUI yet. And I'll say it again, I
don't doubt there are bugs in the new version, I don't doubt there are
unhandled exceptions. I'm actually not that big of a fan of Chessbase
-- there stuff is full of bugs. But I'm a bigger advocate against
morons spreading disinformation based on zero experience and made-up
terms, so you've trumped them in this case. Congrats.
_________________

As I thought, you don't know what you're talking about...
-E




  #18  
Old April 27th 04, 05:57 PM
Thomas
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Default Fritz 8 Update is buggy (& Shredder 8 too...)

"Euclid" wrote in message link.net...

As I thought, you don't know what you're talking about...
-E


Uh-huh. Go back to dispensing your advice. Clearly my 20 years of
software development is no match for your in-depth PC knowledge.
  #19  
Old April 27th 04, 08:17 PM
Damir Ulovec
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Default Fritz 8 Update is buggy (& Shredder 8 too...)

"CeeBee" wrote in message
. 6.74...
You don't know, else you wouldn't say it and repeat it.


You don't have a clue what I'm talking about, did you?

A "command prompt" is a generic term, not some trademark name from some
specific Microsoft OS.

I didn't wrote about TM, I was wrote about knowledge. Dude, go to
Start/Programs/Accessories, and suit for yourself...

The remark was not about nomenclature, it was about general knowledge,
that's why you were missing the point.

You're the one who's don't have knowledge in this area. You represent my
thougts totaly wrong...

And if you think the _debate_ is "missing the point", don't discuss it in
the first place yourself.

And, at the end - filter. Nice to chat with you. I will not spend more of
your, nor my spare time...


  #20  
Old April 28th 04, 04:02 AM
Tom Barnes
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Default Fritz 8 Update is buggy (& Shredder 8 too...)

Well, some of what Euclid said doesn't quite makes sense but there's
no reason to start calling him names. I also have many years of
software engineering experience, let's take a look at two of Euclid's
statements:

Unfortunately the programmers of the Chessbase GUI have now made
it impossible to use the Windows XP debugging tools with their
software, while providing nothing to replace them.


Not sure why you expect to be able to debug an off-the-shelf software
package!? Also, I didn't know Windows XP came with any debugging
tools. In case you're talking about the event log, well... to put
error information in the event log you have to recognize that an error
has occurred. It sounds like the GUI crashes/freezes up and I doubt
that the programmers have anticipated these problems.

Their latest GUI has no exception handling. If you get an error,
the GUI may just stop working for unknown reasons.


Regarding exceptions, you two may be talking about two different
things. Euclid may be using the word "exception" in a general way
(like in "error"). Then what he says kind of makes sense. Obviously an
application doesn't handle exceptions (errors) well enough if it just
freezes up.

Thomas may be thinking of "exceptions" as in C++ Exceptions when
Euclid's reasoning doesn't really makes sense.

It could also be that Euclid is more used to a programming language
like Java where you're pretty much guaranteed that a program doesn't
crash or freeze without throwing an exception (that you can catch and
handle). In some C/C++ environments this isn't the case, no exception
will be thrown if you e.g. deference a null pointer - the program will
just crash.
 




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