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Peter Osterlund writes:
Sanny writes: On my Computer GetClubs Beginner Level thinks 5-6 Depth deep. How much is shown on your Computer. Two things need toi be done play both on Single Core computer with Thinking in Opponents move not allowed Else Crafty gets 15 times more processing power. I already did this match wereGetClubgets about 1000 times more computation time. (10s versus .01s.) What was the depth shown by Beginner Level was it 5/6. It shows depth of thinking like "Thinking on Bishop(5)" Meaning It is thinking at 5 depth. On my Computer it plays with 5-6 depth What was the depth on your Computer? Unfortunately I don't know. I was running GetClub chess in firefox on linux and for some reason the font size gets so big that the text doesn't fit in the box. I'll play another game where I let GetClub chess play on my laptop in windows XP instead (3.07 GHz Pentium 4 CPU), and report what happens. I played a game like that. GetClub playing on the laptop on beginner level, reaching 5 ply in the opening, 5-6 ply in the middle game, and 6-7 ply (with an occational 8 ply) in the end game. Crafty was running on the linux computer with its search depth set to 5 ply, which means its thinking time is about 0.01s using only one core. Crafty still won pretty easily, see game below. Is your alfa-beta algorithm working correctly? I can imagine that java is slower than C, but it shouldn't be 500 times slower. (Or maybe craftys "null move" search makes up for some of the speed difference.) [Event "Computer chess game"] [Site "quad.localdomain"] [Date "2008.02.03"] [Round "-"] [White "GetClub beginner level"] [Black "Crafty-20.14, 5 ply search depth"] [Result "0-1"] [TimeControl "60/120"] 1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qa5 4. d4 Nf6 5. Bc4 c6 6. Nf3 Bg4 7. Qe2 Nbd7 8. h3 Qh5 9. Be3 Bxf3 10. gxf3 O-O-O 11. O-O-O e6 12. Ne4 Qf5 13. Ng5 Nd5 14. Bxd5 exd5 15. Qd3 Qf6 16. Nxh7 Qxf3 17. Rhg1 g6 18. Nxf8 Rhxf8 19. Rg3 Qe4 20. Qxe4 dxe4 21. d5 cxd5 22. Rxd5 b6 23. Bg5 f6 24. Bf4 Rg8 25. f3 exf3 26. Kb1 Ne5 27. Rxd8+ Rxd8 28. Rg1 Rh8 29. Bg3 Rxh3 30. b4 Rxg3 31. Rf1 Rg2 32. b5 f2 33. Rc1 Rg1 34. Rf1 Rxf1+ 35. Kb2 Re1 36. a3 f1=Q {White resigns} 0-1 -- Peter Osterlund - http://web.telia.com/~u89404340 |
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Martin Brown writes:
Which version of Crafty were you running? 20.14 The challenge now is to find a win with a 4 ply search! I tried that, but crafty got into serious trouble. It managed to survive though because GetClub apparently doesn't understand the danger of letting the opponents pawns advance. GetClub again declared a draw one move too early, but I don't think crafty would have won anyway, unless GetClub would have made another mistake. [Event "Computer chess game"] [Site "quad.localdomain"] [Date "2008.02.03"] [Round "-"] [White "Crafty-20.14, 4 ply search depth"] [Black "GetClub beginner level"] [Result "*"] [TimeControl "60/120"] 1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 g6 3. Bg5 Ne4 4. Bf4 e6 5. Nbd2 Bd6 6. Nxe4 Bxf4 7. e3 d5 8. Nc5 Bd6 9. Bb5+ c6 10. Bd3 Bxc5 11. dxc5 Qf6 12. Nd4 e5 13. Qf3 Qxf3 14. Nxf3 e4 15. Ke2 exf3+ 16. Kxf3 Nd7 17. b4 a5 18. a3 axb4 19. axb4 Rxa1 20. Rxa1 O-O 21. Ra7 Ne5+ 22. Kf4 f6 23. Kg3 g5 24. h4 Kh8 25. f4 Ng4 26. Kf3 Re8 27. e4 dxe4+ 28. Bxe4 f5 29. Bxf5 Bxf5 30. fxg5 Re4 31. Rxb7 Ne5+ 32. Kg3 Rg4+ 33. Kf2 Rxh4 34. Re7 Re4 35. Kg3 Kg8 36. c3 Re2 37. Ra7 Bd7 38. Kf4 Ng6+ 39. Kf3 Rc2 40. Ke4 Rd2 41. Ke3 Rd5 42. c4 Re5+ 43. Kd4 Be6 44. Rc7 Bf7 45. Rxc6 Rxg5 46. b5 Rg4+ 47. Ke3 Bxc4 48. Rc8+ Nf8 49. Kf3 Rg6 50. b6 Ba6 51. Rb8 Re6 52. b7 Rf6+ 53. Ke4 Bf1 54. Re8 Bb5 55. Rc8 Bc6+ 56. Rxc6 Rxc6 57. b8=Q Rxc5 58. Qd6 Rg5 59. g3 Rg6 60. Qd3 Ne6 61. Kf5 Ng7+ 62. Ke5 Re6+ 63. Kf4 h6 64. Qd7 Kh8 65. Qb5 Rf6+ 66. Kg4 h5+ 67. Kg5 Re6 68. Qc5 Kg8 69. Qc7 Kh8 70. Qc5 Kg8 71. Qc7 * -- Peter Osterlund - http://web.telia.com/~u89404340 |
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The challenge now is to find a win with a 4 ply search!
I tried that, but crafty got into serious trouble. It managed to survive though becauseGetClubapparently doesn't understand the danger of letting the opponents pawns advance. GetClubagain declared a draw one move too early, but I don't think crafty would have won anyway, unlessGetClubwould have made another mistake. Today an Improvement was done on Pawn Formation, Let me know now it plays Pawns correctly or not. Now it will not play pawns aimlessly. May be that helps. Bye Sanny Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html |
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In message , Peter Osterlund
writes Martin Brown writes: Which version of Crafty were you running? 20.14 Interesting. I have never been able to get Crafty 20.xx to behave on my Chessbase interface. It locks up during registering the engine. The challenge now is to find a win with a 4 ply search! I tried that, but crafty got into serious trouble. It managed to survive though because GetClub apparently doesn't understand the danger of letting the opponents pawns advance. It definitely needs to be more afraid of connected passed pawns. Though it did find some quite neat combinations below considering the very limited look ahead. GetClub again declared a draw one move too early, but I don't think crafty would have won anyway, unless GetClub would have made another mistake. [White "Crafty-20.14, 4 ply search depth"] [Black "GetClub beginner level"] [Result "*"] [TimeControl "60/120"] 12. Nd4 e5 13. Qf3 Qxf3 14. Nxf3 e4 So far so good. Surprsing that Crafty missed this trap. Qf3 is silly. 24. h4 Kh8 gxh4 is simpler. 25. f4 Ng4 26. Kf3 Re8 gxh4 still possible but it is hard to criticise this combination since the threat of mate by 27. .. Rxe3# is excellent. 27. e4 dxe4+ Crafty has a death wish fxg5 is least bad. 37. Ra7 Bd7 38. 37. .... Be4 would cement the position for black. 40. Ke4 Rd2 Squanders the advantage Be6, Be8, Nf8 would be fine. 44. Rc7 Bf7 Why? Rxg5 would win here. Bf7 is practically a wasted move. 45. Rxc6 Rxg5 46. b5 Rg4+ 47. Ke3 Bxc4 Why not Rxc4 which would be a clear win? Ne5, Rg3+, Kg7, Rxg2 also OK 51. Rb8 Re6 Kg7 or Kf7 is needed here to unpin the N. Bb5 at a pinch. The connected passed pawns are dangerous and GetClub is oblivious to the threat! 53. Ke4 Bf1 At this point Getclub is making a positive effort to lose. Kg7 essential the N must be freed to attack b8 White can play for a draw now with 54. c6 Bxg2+ etc. 67. Kg5 Re6 67. ... Rf5+ 68. Qxf5 Nxf5 is a draw. Qc5 Kg8 69. Qc7 Kh8 70. Qc5 Kg8 71. Qc7 * Seems a reasonably fair outcome considering. The GetClub engine did show some promise during this game. I thought the sequence leading up to white having to sac a bishop to avoid a (partly self inflicted) mating trap was inspired for an engine with so shallow a search depth. Regards, -- Martin Brown -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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A few improvements were done, Now it will not play unnecesary pawn
moves. Your analysis really helping me in improving GetClub Games. Now From today you will be seeing very good moves from GetClub Beginner. Here is a game it played against Jester, But it lost the game despite improvements. Look likes improvements gone in wrong direction. Game Played between Jester and beginner at GetClub.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jester: (White) beginner: (Black) Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...628&game=Chess -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- White -- Black (Jester) -- (beginner) 1. e2-e4{4} e7-e5{0} 2. Ng1-f3{6} Nb8-c6{0} 3. Bf1-b5{6} Ng8-f6{0} 4. d2-d3{6} Bf8-b4{6} 5. c2-c3{12} Bb4-d6{10} 6. Nb1-d2{12} Ke8-g8{8} 7. Nd2-c4{10} Nf6-g4{22} 8. h2-h3{10} Ng4-f6{6} 9. Bc1-g5{10} b7-b6{6} 10. Bb5-c6{14} d7-c6{6} 11. Nc4-e5{10} c6-c5{22} 12. Ke1-g1{10} Rf8-e8{16} 13. Ne5-c4{12} Bc8-b7{12} 14. Qd1-b3{10} h7-h6{6} 15. Bg5-f6{10} Qd8-f6{6} 16. e4-e5{10} Qf6-g6{6} 17. Nf3-h4{14} Qg6-d3{10} 18. Rf1-d1{18} Qd3-e4{6} 19. Nh4-f3{16} Bd6-e5{14} 20. Nc4-e5{8} Re8-e5{10} 21. Rd1-e1{14} Qe4-f3{8} 22. g2-f3{36} Re5-g5{18} 23. Kg1-f1{10} Bb7-f3{10} 24. Re1-e7{10} Bf3-g2{6} 25. Kf1-e2{10} Rg5-f5{22} 26. Qb3-a4{14} Rf5-f6{22} 27. Qa4-d7{12} Bg2-c6{8} 28. Qd7-c7{10} Bc6-f3{12} 29. Ke2-f1{12} a7-a6{14} 30. Ra1-e1{12} Bf3-d5{14} 31. b2-b3{14} Kg8-h8{22} 32. c3-c4{10} Bd5-e6{6} 33. Re1-e6{12} Rf6-e6{14} 34. Re7-e6{10} f7-e6{8} 35. Qc7-b6{10} Ra8-f8{22} 36. Qb6-a6{10} Rf8-f6{10} 37. Qa6-c8{10} Kh8-h7{20} 38. Qc8-c5{10} Rf6-f3{22} 39. Qc5-e5{10} Rf3-f6{10} 40. c4-c5{10} Kh7-h8{14} 41. c5-c6{10} Rf6-f5{10} 42. Qe5-f5{8} e6-f5{6} 43. c6-c7{10} Kh8-h7{22} 44. a2-a4{10} g7-g6{22} 45. a4-a5{14} f5-f4{22} 46. a5-a6{10} h6-h5{22} 47. Qc7-c8{Q}{12} Kh7-g7{22} 48. a6-a7{12} Kg7-h6{10} 49. Qa7-a8{Q}{12} g6-g5{6} -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jester: (White) beginner: (Black) Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...628&game=Chess Bye Sanny Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html |
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In message
, Sanny writes A few improvements were done, Now it will not play unnecesary pawn moves. Your analysis really helping me in improving GetClub Games. I hope it helps a bit. I'd be interested in others thoughts about what is going wrong in some of these games. This one it is hard to see why GetClub prefers swapping Q for N+P to either saving the queen or at least getting a R for her. White -- Black (Jester) -- (beginner) 21. Rd1-e1{14} Qe4-f3{8} This move is completely boggling. It is worse than the median. At the very least I would have expected it to play the rook swap if the queen cannot be saved 21. ... Qxe1+ 22. Rxe1 Rxe1 23. Nxe1 But by far the best move here is 21. ... Qg6 which holds on nicely. Rae8 is next best but already losing. 21. ..... Qg6 if 22. Nxe5 QxG2# so 22. Rxe5 Bxf3 23. g3/g4 is needed for white to stay in the game There is still a serious material imbalance but black has the initiative. As played you get into RRB vs QRR the best line gets QRB vs QRR which isn't great but isn't losing either. 31. b2-b3{14} Kg8-h8{22} This is way too passive. Rg6 at least forces white to think. The game is already lost but no need to roll over just yet. Regards, -- Martin Brown -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Sanny writes:
The challenge now is to find a win with a 4 ply search! I tried that, but crafty got into serious trouble. It managed to survive though becauseGetClubapparently doesn't understand the danger of letting the opponents pawns advance. GetClubagain declared a draw one move too early, but I don't think crafty would have won anyway, unlessGetClubwould have made another mistake. Today an Improvement was done on Pawn Formation, Let me know now it plays Pawns correctly or not. Now it will not play pawns aimlessly. May be that helps. I don't know. It seemed to play reasonably for a while but then blundered in the end getting into a losing position. However it "saved" the day by for no apparent reason declaring the game a draw when it was in a lost position. It's not sure crafty would have found the winning continuation with its 4 ply search depth though. [Event "Computer chess game"] [Site "quad.localdomain"] [Date "2008.02.04"] [Round "-"] [White "GetClub beginner level"] [Black "Crafty-20.14, 4 ply search depth"] [Result "*"] [TimeControl "40/300"] 1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qa5 4. d4 c6 5. Nf3 Bg4 6. h3 Bxf3 7. Qxf3 e6 8. Bd3 Nf6 9. O-O Qb4 10. Bg5 Nbd7 11. Qe3 Qxb2 12. Bf5 Bb4 13. Na4 Nd5 14. Nxb2 Nxe3 15. fxe3 exf5 16. Nd3 Bc3 17. Rab1 h6 18. Bf4 O-O-O 19. Rb3 Ba5 20. Rf3 Rhe8 21. c4 Bd2 22. Rb2 Ba5 23. c5 h5 24. Rb3 Bd2 25. Rb2 Ba5 26. a4 Bc7 27. Bxc7 Kxc7 28. a5 g6 29. a6 bxa6 30. Ra2 Rb8 31. Rxa6 Rb1+ 32. Kh2 Kb7 33. Ra3 h4 34. Ra2 Rb3 35. Rb2 Rxb2 36. Nxb2 a5 37. Nc4 Ka6 38. Kh1 Rb8 39. Rf4 Rh8 40. Rf1 Rb8 41. Ra1 Rb5 42. Nd6 Rb3 43. Kg1 Rd3 44. Nc4 Kb5 45. Na3+ Kb4 46. Nc2+ Kc3 47. Ne1 Rxe3 48. Nf3 Kb4 49. Rb1+ Kc3 50. Rb7 Nf8 51. Rxf7 Rxf3 52. gxf3 Ne6 53. Rf6 Nxd4 54. Rxg6 Kc4 55. Kh1 Kxc5 56. Kg2 Nc2 57. Rh6 a4 58. Rxh4 Nd4 59. Rh8 Kb4 60. Rb8+ Nb5 61. h4 a3 62. Ra8 Kb3 63. h5 Kb2 64. h6 Nd6 65. h7 Nf7 66. Rb8+ Kc2 67. Ra8 Kb3 68. Ra7 a2 69. Ra8 Kb2 70. h8=N Nxh8 71. Rb8+ Kc1 72. Ra8 Kb2 73. Rb8+ Kc2 74. Ra8 Kb3 75. Rb8+ Kc2 76. Ra8 Kb3 77. Ra6 c5 78. Ra5 Ng6 79. Kh2 c4 80. f4 Kb2 81. Rb5+ Ka3 82. Ra5+ Kb2 83. Rb5+ Ka3 * -- Peter Osterlund - http://web.telia.com/~u89404340 |
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I think you try Playing with Easy Level and Crafty. And let me know
what depth of Crafty Matches with Easy Level. Easy Level will play in 20-30 seconds / Move. But the moves by Easy Level will be much decent than Beginner Level. But before you do that you need to to do two things. 1. Crafty use only 1 core. 2. Crafty do not think on Opponents time. I feel Easy Level will need atleast depth 6/7 for Crafty to win. Then let me know time taken by Crafty for playing 7 depth. GetClub Takes 1 second to compute till 7 depth. Bye Sanny play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html |
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I think you try Playing with Easy Level and Crafty. And let me know
what depth of Crafty Matches with Easy Level. Easy Level will play in 20-30 seconds / Move. But the moves by Easy Level will be much decent than Beginner Level. But before you do that you need to to do two things. 1. Crafty use only 1 core. 2. Crafty do not think on Opponents time. I feel Easy Level will need atleast depth 6/7 for Crafty to win. Then let me know time taken by Crafty for playing 7 depth. GetClub Takes 1 second to compute till 7 depth. Bye Sanny Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html |
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Sanny writes:
Then let me know time taken by Crafty for playing 7 depth. GetClub Takes 1 second to compute till 7 depth. I played a match using only one core and no thinking on opponents time, with the search depth set to 7. GetClub was running on a different machine, which is about as fast as a single core on the machine crafty was running on. Below is an extract from craftys log file, which shows (second column) that the thinking time is between 0.01 and 0.17 seconds. The third column shows craftys evaluation of the position, where + is good for white and - is good for black. GetClub played ok until move 13. I don't see why it would play Rf3 unless there is something wrong in the quiescence search. 7- 0.03 -0.21 4. ... Bf5 5. Nc3 e6 6. e4 dxe4 7. 7- 0.02 -0.29 5. ... Bg6 6. e3 Ngf6 7. Ne2 e5 8. 7- 0.07 -0.39 6. ... Ngf6 7. e3 e5 8. Qe2 Bc5 9. 7- 0.04 -0.49 7. ... e5 8. d4 Bb4 9. Bxd7+ Nxd7 10. 7- 0.14 -0.52 8. ... exf4 9. gxf4 Bc5 10. Bg2 c6 7- 0.17 -0.74 9. ... Qe7 10. f5 Bh5 11. Nxd5 Nxd5 7- 0.04 -0.72 10. ... O-O-O 11. Ne5 c6 12. Bxd7+ 7- 0.08 -1.00 11. ... Re8 12. Kh1 Kb8 13. f5 Bh5 7- 0.07 -0.23 12. ... c6 13. Nxd7 Nxd7 14. f5 d4 7- 0.05 -2.46 13. ... Bh5 14. Bf5 Kc7 15. Nxd7 Bxf3 7- 0.06 -2.56 14. ... Bxf3+ 15. Qxf3 h5 16. Bf5 h4 7- 0.04 -2.62 15. ... h5 16. Bf5 h4 17. a4 Kb8 18. 7- 0.04 -2.88 16. ... g6 17. Bxd7+ Kxd7 18. a4 Kc8 7- 0.01 -2.75 17. ... Kxd7 18. a4 Kc8 19. a5 Bg7 7- 0.03 -2.91 18. ... Kc8 19. Bd4 Kb8 20. c4 Bg7 7- 0.03 -2.83 19. ... Kb8 20. c4 Rg8 21. Nc3 Bg7 7- 0.03 -3.21 20. ... Ka8 21. Qe2 Bg7 22. c4 Rhg8 7- 0.03 -3.19 21. ... Ng4 22. Qf1 f6 23. Bd4 dxc4 7- 0.03 -3.04 22. ... Nxe5 23. fxe5 dxc4 24. bxc4 7- 0.02 -3.05 23. ... dxc4 24. bxc4 g5 25. Rb1 g4 7- 0.05 -3.30 24. ... Bg7 25. d4 f6 26. Nh4 Rh6 27. 7- 0.04 -2.91 25. ... f6 26. Nh4 Rh6 27. Rg1 fxe5 7- 0.02 -2.88 26. ... Rh6 27. Rg1 fxe5 28. Nxg6 Qc7 7- 0.03 -3.18 27. ... fxe5 28. Nxg6 Qc7 29. Nc5 exd4 7- 0.02 -3.21 28. ... Qc7 29. Nc5 exd4 30. exd4 h4 7- 0.03 -3.54 29. ... exd4 30. Ne6 Qf7 31. Nxd4 Qxc4 7- 0.08 -4.34 30. ... h4 31. a4 h3 32. Nd3 Rc8 33. 7- 0.08 -4.23 31. ... h3 32. a4 Rd8 33. b5 Qd6 34. 7- 0.08 -4.34 32. ... Bf6 33. a4 Rd8 34. Qd3 Qf7 7- 0.05 -4.83 33. ... Qf7 34. Qf5 Rg8 35. Nf4 Qxa2 7- 0.10 -4.09 34. ... Rh7 35. Nf4 Rhh8 36. Nxh3 Re5 7- 0.09 -4.10 35. ... Rg7 36. Nf4 Qc4 37. Rxg7 Bxg7 7- 0.13 -4.50 36. ... Reg8 37. Nf4 Rxg3 38. hxg3 7- 0.06 -8.27 37. ... Qa2 38. Qxh3 Bxe5 39. Rxg7 7- 0.03 -9.52 38. ... Rxg4 39. Qxg4 Rxg4 40. Rxg4 7- 0.01 -9.55 39. ... Rxg4 40. Rxg4 Be5 41. Kg1 Qxh2+ 7- 0.02 -11.73 40. ... Be5 41. Kg1 Qb1+ 42. Kf2 Qb2+ 7- 0.06 -14.23 41. ... Bxh2+ 42. Kf1 Qb1+ 43. Kf2 7- 0.02 -13.97 42. ... Qb1+ 43. Kf2 Qb2+ 44. Kf3 Qa3+ 7- 0.01 -14.57 43. ... Qb2+ 44. Kf3 Qa3+ 45. Ke2 Qe3+ 7- 0.02 -14.95 44. ... Qc3+ 45. Ke2 Qe3+ 46. Kd1 Qf3+ 7- 0.03 -18.74 45. ... d3 46. Rg8+ Bb8 47. Nxd3 Qxd3+ 7- 0.42 -Mat04 48. ... Qxd3+ 49. Ke1 h2 50. a6 h1=Q+ [Event "Computer chess game"] [Site "quad.localdomain"] [Date "2008.02.05"] [Round "-"] [White "GetClub easy level"] [Black "Crafty-20.14, search depth 7"] [Result "0-1"] [TimeControl "40/300"] 1. b3 d5 2. Bb2 Bg4 3. g3 Nd7 4. f3 Bf5 5. Bh3 Bg6 6. Nc3 Ngf6 7. e3 e5 8. f4 exf4 9. gxf4 Qe7 10. Nf3 O-O-O 11. O-O Re8 12. Ne5 c6 13. Rf3 Bh5 14. Kh1 Bxf3+ 15. Nxf3 h5 16. Bf5 g6 17. Bxd7+ Kxd7 18. Na4 Kc8 19. Bd4 Kb8 20. Be5+ Ka8 21. c4 Ng4 22. Qf1 Nxe5 23. fxe5 dxc4 24. Qxc4 Bg7 25. d4 f6 26. Nh4 Rh6 27. Rg1 fxe5 28. Nxg6 Qc7 29. Nc5 exd4 30. e4 h4 31. b4 h3 32. Rg3 Bf6 33. Qf1 Qf7 34. Qf5 Rh7 35. a4 Rg7 36. a5 Reg8 37. Ne5 Qa2 38. Ng4 Rxg4 39. Qxg4 Rxg4 40. Rxg4 Be5 41. Kg1 Bxh2+ 42. Kf1 Qb1+ 43. Kf2 Qb2+ 44. Ke1 Qc3+ 45. Kd1 d3 46. Rg8+ Bb8 47. Rxb8+ Kxb8 48. Nxd3 Qxd3+ 49. Ke1 h2 {White resigns} 0-1 -- Peter Osterlund - http://web.telia.com/~u89404340 |
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