On Feb 20, 12:48*am, SBD wrote:
On Feb 19, 11:22*am, Sanny wrote:

Rybka went to get Queen and there was no way to stop that passed pawn.
What do you think?

I wiash you would stop posting this garbage until you know the least
little thing about

(1).chess

(2). computerchess

but that seems unlikely.

I think you have not read the full Comment. The Rybka Stop Functioning
after it found Mate in 13. And how will I know it is going to Mate
after 13 depth? Since It gave error message "Unable to Response" I
thought It has resigned.

I have then played against Rybka with Easy & Normal Level. I found it
is playing very good moves and Still it is te World Best Program.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html


Beginner Level Survived till 27 Moves against Rybka.

Here is the Game

Game Played between sanjay11 and beginner at GetClub.com

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sanjay11: (White)
beginner: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...852&game=Chess
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White -- Black
(sanjay11) -- (beginner)

1. e2-e4{2} d7-d5{0}
2. e4-d5{16} Ng8-f6{0}
3. d2-d4{14} Nf6-d5{0}
4. c2-c4{10} Nd5-b6{0}
5. Ng1-f3{10} Bc8-f5{10}
6. Bf1-d3{62} e7-e6{6}
7. Bd3-f5{12} e6-f5{8}
8. Ke1-g1{12} Bf8-e7{8}
9. Qd1-b3{12} c7-c5{6}
10. d4-c5{16} Be7-c5{10}
11. a2-a4{16} Qd8-c8{8}
12. Rf1-e1{14} Ke8-f8{6}
13. Bc1-f4{12} h7-h6{6}
14. a4-a5{12} Nb6-c4{8}
15. Re1-c1{18} Nc4-a5{6}
16. Ra1-a5{12} b7-b6{8}
17. Nf3-e5{12} Qc8-e6{6}
18. Qb3-f3{14} Bc5-d6{6}
19. Ra5-d5{16} Kf8-g8{20}
20. Rd5-d6{10} Qe6-d6{10}
21. Rc1-c8{16} Kg8-h7{10}
22. Rc8-h8{16} Kh7-h8{8}
23. Ne5-f7{16} Kh8-g8{6}
24. Nf7-d6{14} Nb8-c6{8}
25. Qf3-c6{14} Ra8-f8{10}
26. Qc6-d7{14} g7-g6{12}
27. Bf4-h6{14} a7-a5{6}
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sanjay11: (White)
beginner: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...852&game=Chess

This is the longest Game survived by Beginner level In most games It
lost in just 20 Moves.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Here is a game where Normal Level was able to fight till 38 Moves
against Rybka (Hard Level)

Game Played between sanjay11 and normal at GetClub.com

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sanjay11: (White)
normal: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...861&game=Chess
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White -- Black
(sanjay11) -- (normal)

1. e2-e4{4} c7-c6{0}
2. Nb1-c3{44} d7-d5{110}
3. e4-d5{18} c6-d5{116}
4. Bf1-b5{20} Nb8-c6{120}
5. Ng1-f3{14} Qd8-d6{114}
6. Ke1-g1{18} g7-g6{124}
7. d2-d4{16} Bc8-f5{110}
8. Nf3-e5{26} f7-f6{134}
9. Bc1-f4{28} Qd6-e6{82}
10. Ne5-d3{20} Ra8-d8{142}
11. Bf4-c7{22} Rd8-c8{104}
12. Bc7-g3{16} a7-a6{140}
13. Rf1-e1{14} Qe6-f7{152}
14. Bb5-a4{24} b7-b5{110}
15. Ba4-b3{18} Nc6-d4{132}
16. Bb3-d5{18} e7-e6{98}
17. Nd3-f4{20} Bf8-c5{90}
18. Nc3-e4{18} Bf5-e4{104}
19. Re1-e4{16} f6-f5{80}
20. Re4-e5{24} Rc8-d8{152}
21. c2-c3{22} Ng8-e7{104}
22. c3-d4{16} Bc5-d6{84}
23. Nf4-e6{18} Ne7-d5{146}
24. Ne6-g5{18} Bd6-e5{84}
25. Ng5-f7{20} Ke8-f7{114}
26. Bg3-e5{14} Rh8-e8{104}
27. Qd1-c1{30} Kf7-g8{126}
28. Qc1-c6{12} f5-f4{140}
29. Qc6-a6{56} b5-b4{204}
30. Ra1-c1{22} f4-f3{130}
31. Rc1-c6{16} Kg8-f8{90}
32. Rc6-f6{20} Kf8-g8{80}
33. Rf6-g6{24} Kg8-f8{96}
34. Rg6-g3{20} Kf8-e7{152}
35. Rg3-g7{24} Ke7-f8{146}
36. Rg7-h7{48} Re8-e7{118}
37. Rh7-h8{16} Kf8-f7{98}
38. Rh8-d8{20} Nd5-f6{90}
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sanjay11: (White)
normal: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...861&game=Chess

Nowadays no one is able to spot mistakes in GetClub Game. Is it very
tough to analyze these games. Still if you find mistake in GetClubs
game tell me So that I can improve the game.

Are the game lost to Rybka because of poor Calculations or it is
because Depth of Analysis of Rybka is higher.

Normal Level thinks 14 depth deep. How much deep does Rybka think?

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

On Feb 19, 7:08 am, Sanny wrote:

Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Here is a Very Short game Rybka won in just 15 Moves. It out played
Easy Level in Just 15 Moves. Now I will try playing it with Normal
Level and see if Normal gives any Challege to Rybka.

Game Played between sanjay11 and easy at GetClub.com

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Rybka : (White)
easy: (Black)
Game Played at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...798&game=Chess
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White -- Black
(Rybka ) -- (easy)

1. e2-e4{18} e7-e5{0}
2. Ng1-f3{56} Nb8-c6{0}
3. Bf1-b5{16} a7-a6{0}
4. Bb5-a4{10} Ng8-f6{0}
5. Ke1-g1{12} b7-b5{50}
6. Ba4-b3{12} Bf8-c5{26}
7. Nf3-e5{30} Nc6-e5{20}
8. d2-d4{18} Nf6-e4{26}
9. d4-c5{12} Ne4-f6{38}
10. f2-f4{18} Ne5-c6{26}
11. Rf1-e1{14} Ke8-f8{50}
12. Nb1-c3{16} Kf8-g8{24}
13. Nc3-d5{152} Nf6-d5{22}
14. Qd1-d5{18} Qd8-f8{38}
15. Qd5-f7{12} Qf8-f7{28}
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The move times for Rybka seem to indicate
that it had no openings book, or else that the
operator is exceedingly slow. For instance,
the moves e4, Nf3, Bb5, Ba4 and O-O should
all read as time = 0 for White.


-- help bot

On Feb 19, 8:20 am, Sanny wrote:
Rybka beat GetClubs Normal Level in just 25 Moves.

Game Played between Rybka and normal at GetClub.com. Why do Normal
Level Lost to Rybka? Which were the Wrong Moves that Normal Level
Made?

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Rybka : (White)
normal: (Black)


Here, the GetClub program first went wrong
when it sat down to play. Yet the crowd did
not truly guffaw until it saw GC's moves... .


-- eval. bot

On Feb 19, 10:57 am, "webfilelib" wrote:

I have a question about fairness:

If computer programs are allowed to have
opening's books (i.e. human-aided analysis)
when playing against humans...

then why can't humans have endgame analysis
from a hand-held calculator
when playing against computers?

Because, only the computers are allowed
to cheat at chess.

When humans do this sort of thing, they
are summarily whipped, keel-hulled, or at
the very least ostracized, excommunicated,
and labeled left-wing radical lunatic-fringers.

You may recall a game or two in which
humans pitted Bobby Fischer against the
dreadful Greenblatt program; so horrible was
the slaughter that from that time forward, it
was decided to just allow computers to
cheat at will! This seemed only fair at the
time... .


-- fairness bot

On Feb 19, 11:12 am, Mike Murray wrote:

channel the game away from anti-computer strategies -- human analysis
is of too low quality to help the silicon monsters these days.

Whoa there, fella! You may speak for yourself, but
a few of us happen to know better. Computers with
no openings book still founder in the opening.

For example, many a book has been written in
which it is carefully explained how blocking the
c-pawn early with N-c3 or N-c6 constricts one's
own pieces; yet even the very best programs
will do exactly this, if you disable their openings
books. Now, while weak players may argue
that perhaps these monstrosities "know better"
than the authors of those books, real chess
players understand that it is merely an
indication that they have been programmed
poorly in this area of the game.

Think of the famous game in which DeepBlue,
or some other killer program, was stomping all
over GM Karpov, UNTIL it had to choose
between grabbing lots of pawns, or keeping the
opponent from getting far-advanced connected
passers which could not be stopped; the
clueless, materialist program grabbed the pawns
as a matter of course, judging it obtained a hefty
material advantage, only to lose the game like a
carrot.

Don't deceive yourself into thinking that these
new programs are near to perfection; they are
better than us, but that is no reason to give
them very much credit at all. It is still apparent
that they suffer from the dreaded horizon effect,
that they will play for spite checks in order to
push the fact that they are making zero head-
way beyond their own sight-lines, much like an
ostrich which buries its head in the sand.

I believe that human analysis can still help
these programs, but it needs to be of the
highest quality-- not the type of stuff typically
found published in Chess Lies magazine,
which I find is easily refuted by these very
programs, sans books and sans table-bases!


-- help bot

On Feb 20, 12:14 am, Sanny wrote:

I think you have not read the full Comment. The Rybka Stop Functioning
after it found Mate in 13. And how will I know it is going to Mate
after 13 depth? Since It gave error message "Unable to Response" I
thought It has resigned.


Sanny, whenever there has been a technical
problem with your own program, your typical
response has been to forfeit the other guy, to
give your program credit for "winning" even if
it was obvious that it couldn't.

Now, you say that there was a technical
problem with Rybka, and your response? To
forfeit the other guy-- Rybka. This merely
shows that you cannot be trusted to play
games between your program and others;
you are not a "fair" arbiter, but rather, a very
biased one.


In my opinion, a fairer contest would have
your Java applet at one of its highest levels,
say Master, pitted against Rybka at a couple
seconds per move, but allowed to think while
your Master level was thinking; this, on two
seperate computers, so there is no slowing
of either engine. I believe that your program
might win at under one second, but lose at
three or more for Rybka-- or something like
that. The reason is that only rarely would
Rybka correctly anticipate the GetClub
program's (inferior) moves, so much of its
background thinking time would have been,
in effect, "wasted" to a large degree.

Your program has been getting tougher and
tougher, and unlike those who may sneak on
and then only report if they happen to win, I
am satisfied to accept the reality, which here
is that some games look terrible, while others
make the GC program look a lot like Fritz or
any other program, except for the openings
book. In particular, where your program
somehow manages to win before the endgame,
many of its worst flaws remain hidden from
view.

I still remember back when the GC program
was so weak that I felt like Paul Morphy,
reincarnated! Every game, or so it seemed,
had me as brilliant tactician, pitted against
"Anon" the horrible duffer; I was a genius, in
every game and in every tactical skirmish.
But no more... .


-- help bot

* The move times for Rybka seem to indicate
that it had no openings book, or else that the
operator is exceedingly slow. *For instance,
the moves e4, Nf3, Bb5, Ba4 and O-O should
all read as time = 0 for White.


Rybka is not using any Opening book.

The time taken by GetClub is Only the time the GetClub Program is
thinking.

The Time Shown for RybKa Involves

1. First When I see the move made by GetClub (3 sec)
2. I type the Move by GetClub to Rybka (3 sec)

Time Taken by Rybka for that Move (X sec)

3. I find Rybka has made a move (3 sec)
4. I write the mode Made by Rybka to GetClub (3 sec)

So For each move you may add 12 seconds extra for the operating job.
And sometimes I go for drinking water then add +30 sec extra.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

* Now, you say that there was a technical
problem with Rybka, and your response? To
forfeit the other guy-- Rybka. *This merely
shows that you cannot be trusted to play
games between your program and others;
you are not a "fair" arbiter, but rather, a very
biased one.

I try not be biased. You can see that there was problem in
understanding that The Rybka Stopped because of disconnection and not
because it resigned. I was playing with it for the first time So I was
not knowing whether "Unable to Response" means It is Resigning.

Only after analyzing the game on Computer later I find a Mate in 8.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html