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In article , S.Matthieu
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SNIP

Which platform Palm or Pocket PC or SmartThing will ultimately win the
battle for market share? Maybe the one that embraces an integrated
smart/wireless/pda/mm solution?

Mark


A version for the iPaq PocketPcs would be fantastic thanks Mark!

Cheers

I am impressed by Hiarcs, although I haven't had time to play around much.
I also have Genius and Tiger, which are very good programs.

When I put the difficult positon on the Chessbase site for the review of
the book "Getting the most out of your computer", given as an example
where even the strongest programs have difficulty (and that has been given
erroneously in anothehr book quoted as as an example t where computers
can't see an obvious draw), Chess Genius on the ARM processor had not
found the winning move after over 5 minutes. But Hiarcs found the winning
move ...Qe3 in less than a minute. After six minutes it has still not
announced mate which is some 22 moves down, but it is 14 moves deep and
gives Black a 7.77 advantage. Impressive...

Henri

In article , Henri
Arsenault writes
I am impressed by Hiarcs, although I haven't had time to play around much.
I also have Genius and Tiger, which are very good programs.

When I put the difficult positon on the Chessbase site for the review of
the book "Getting the most out of your computer", given as an example
where even the strongest programs have difficulty (and that has been given
erroneously in anothehr book quoted as as an example t where computers
can't see an obvious draw), Chess Genius on the ARM processor had not
found the winning move after over 5 minutes. But Hiarcs found the winning
move ...Qe3 in less than a minute. After six minutes it has still not
announced mate which is some 22 moves down, but it is 14 moves deep and
gives Black a 7.77 advantage. Impressive...

Henri

It does seem that Palm Hiarcs on ARM processors is performing extremely
well. This is in part due to the updated Hiarcs chess engine at version
9.41 but also the ARM CPU performance is very good. On my T3 it is 160
times faster than my old m105!

I have updated the ratings and results page with some of the most recent
results: http://www.hiarcs.com/phresults.htm

There are more results in now to further suggest Palm Hiarcs is stronger
than Pocket Fritz2 on equal hardware.

best wishes,
Mark

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It does seem that Palm Hiarcs on ARM processors is performing extremely
well. This is in part due to the updated Hiarcs chess engine at version
9.41 but also the ARM CPU performance is very good. On my T3 it is 160
times faster than my old m105!

I have updated the ratings and results page with some of the most recent
results: http://www.hiarcs.com/phresults.htm

There are more results in now to further suggest Palm Hiarcs is stronger
than Pocket Fritz2 on equal hardware.

best wishes,
Mark

Any plans for a Pocket PC version??

best,

Michael Byrne

In article , Michael
Byrne writes
snip

It does seem that Palm Hiarcs on ARM processors is performing extremely
well. This is in part due to the updated Hiarcs chess engine at version
9.41 but also the ARM CPU performance is very good. On my T3 it is 160
times faster than my old m105!

I have updated the ratings and results page with some of the most recent
results: http://www.hiarcs.com/phresults.htm

There are more results in now to further suggest Palm Hiarcs is stronger
than Pocket Fritz2 on equal hardware.

best wishes,
Mark

Any plans for a Pocket PC version??

best,

Michael Byrne

If enough people keep asking I will put the PPC version up the priority
list.

However at the moment I consider a Hiarcs 10 PC version and even a
Hiarcs 10 Mac version as higher priority.

What does everyone else think?

Best wishes,
Mark

http://www.hiarcs.com

Thanks to Mark and his team for the new Hiarcs Palm program. Now
please port that C code to the iPAQ OS (shouldn't be that hard, right?
:-) Just remove those non-standard code snippets), as I only use the
strongest hardware for handheld chess, and that would be the iPAQ, as
the iPaq mP beats the Palm mP (I estimate a modern iPAQ with the
Motorola? Dragonball mP is like a first generation Pentium).

If and when that comes out, I'll definitely switch from Fritz 2, which
I'm using now on the iPAQ and which from your website seems to be
about equal with the Hiarcs on Palm (proving that good s/w with
inferior H/w equals inferior s/w with superior H/W).

Even better, if you can get a toe hold into the wireless phone market,
that would help sales with the non-chess fanatic players (i.e., the
people not reading this thread!)

Cheers,

RL


Mark Uniacke wrote in message ...
In article , Henri

I have updated the ratings and results page with some of the most
recent
results: http://www.hiarcs.com/phresults.htm

There are more results in now to further suggest Palm Hiarcs is
stronger
than Pocket Fritz2 on equal hardware.

best wishes,
Mark
It does seem that Palm Hiarcs on ARM processors is performing extremely
well. This is in part due to the updated Hiarcs chess engine at version
9.41 but also the ARM CPU performance is very good. On my T3 it is 160
times faster than my old m105!

I have updated the ratings and results page with some of the most recent
results: http://www.hiarcs.com/phresults.htm

There are more results in now to further suggest Palm Hiarcs is stronger
than Pocket Fritz2 on equal hardware.

best wishes,
Mark

Mark Uniacke says...

Any plans for a Pocket PC version??

If enough people keep asking I will put the PPC version up the priority
list.

However at the moment I consider a Hiarcs 10 PC version and even a
Hiarcs 10 Mac version as higher priority.

What does everyone else think?

In terms of number of people who will benefit, I suggeast the
following priorities:

[1] PC Windows

[2] PC Linux

[3] Apple OSX

[4] PalmOS

[5] Pocket PC

[6] MS-DOS.

In terms of difficulty of porting and of performance, dropping
4 and 6 mi9ght be a good idea. Those systems tend to be on slow
processors and have limited memory.

Mark Uniacke wrote:



If enough people keep asking I will put the PPC version up the priority
list.

However at the moment I consider a Hiarcs 10 PC version and even a
Hiarcs 10 Mac version as higher priority.

What does everyone else think?

Best wishes,
Mark

http://www.hiarcs.com


After I purchased Hiarcs 9 to work with more closed and positional
positions, there's no doubt he Hiarcs 10 for the PC is very, very
welcome - the sooner, the better!

Regards,
HD

On 14 Jul 2004 17:15:31 -0700, (raylopez99)
wrote:

short snip
:-) Just remove those non-standard code snippets), as I only use the
strongest hardware for handheld chess, and that would be the iPAQ, as
the iPaq mP beats the Palm mP (I estimate a modern iPAQ with the
Motorola? Dragonball mP is like a first generation Pentium).

I wouldn't say that the iPaq is necessarily the "strongest hardware"
for handheld chess. That may have been the case before an
Xscale-based PalmOS device and before Hiarcs, but I don't necessarily
agree that Pocket Fritz is an undisputed champ anymore. In terms of
head-to-head game-play, Hiarcs seems to have the edge.

I've been running games between Palm Hiarcs on a Tungsten T3 and
Pocket Fritz on an iPaq 4155. Both have 400MHz Intel XScale
processors and more than 32MB of RAM. I ran both with Permanent Brain
on, and both with 8MB hash tables. I figured that in terms of giving
these programs an equal hardware footing, that was about as much as I
could do. As far as RAM went, my iPaq had 20MB free before starting
Fritz, and my T3 had 36MB free before starting Hiarcs. The results:

Time Control: 40 mov/2 hrs + 20 mov/1 hr:
Palm Hiarcs 9.41 - 3.5 (+3-0=1, 87.5%)
Pocket Fritz 2.0 - 0.5

Time Control: Game/30 min.
Palm Hiarcs 9.41 - 5.5 (+4-1=3, 68.8%)
Pocket Fritz 2.0 - 2.5

Time Control: Game/15 min.
Palm Hiarcs 9.41 - 2.0 (+2-2=0, 50%)
Pocket Fritz 2.0 - 2.0

Time Control: Game/5 min.
Palm Hiarcs 9.41 - 6.0 (+5-3=2, 60%)
Pocket Fritz 2.0 - 4.0

In total, 26 games were played, Hiarcs scored 17 points (14 actual
wins) while Fritz only scored 9 (6 actual wins).

If and when that comes out, I'll definitely switch from Fritz 2, which
I'm using now on the iPAQ and which from your website seems to be
about equal with the Hiarcs on Palm (proving that good s/w with
inferior H/w equals inferior s/w with superior H/W).

I haven't read anything about it recently, so I really am unawa but
Isn't there some aspect still of the Windows Mobile 2003 operating
system not _really_ being optimized for the XScale? I thought that
was the case with 2002, where performance of 206MHz StrongARM (e.g. HP
Jornada 468) was just slightly better than the 400MHz XScale (e.g.
iPaq 3970). If that IS the case - and the Windows Mobile OS can be
tweaked to take better advantage of the XScale processor (which should
translate into faster processing), then Fritz might be able to do
better against Hiarcs.

Having said all that, I've also been trying to run Palm Hiarcs and
Pocket Fritz through the BT2630 tactical test suite. From what I can
see so far, however, Pocket Fritz seems to be a bit quicker on the
tactical side, and thus a better test-taker.

At the end of the day though, I don't really care who is stronger. I
really like all of the top programs. And like you, when Hiarcs comes
out for Pocket PC, I'll jump on that bandwagon as well. I'm also
waiting for Christophe Theron to update Chess Tiger for the Palm to
incorporate real hi-res graphics and native OS5/ARM code.

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Cheers,

RL

Hope I haven't stepped on any toes.

Cheers -
- CF



Mark Uniacke wrote in message ...
In article , Henri

I have updated the ratings and results page with some of the most
recent
results: http://www.hiarcs.com/phresults.htm

There are more results in now to further suggest Palm Hiarcs is
stronger
than Pocket Fritz2 on equal hardware.

best wishes,
Mark
It does seem that Palm Hiarcs on ARM processors is performing extremely
well. This is in part due to the updated Hiarcs chess engine at version
9.41 but also the ARM CPU performance is very good. On my T3 it is 160
times faster than my old m105!

I have updated the ratings and results page with some of the most recent
results: http://www.hiarcs.com/phresults.htm

There are more results in now to further suggest Palm Hiarcs is stronger
than Pocket Fritz2 on equal hardware.

best wishes,
Mark

Guy Macon http://www.guymacon.com writes:

In terms of number of people who will benefit, I suggeast the
following priorities:

[1] PC Windows

[2] PC Linux

[3] Apple OSX

A UCI or xboard compatible version would make users of all three
platforms happy. :-)

--
Tord Romstad