Help bot is now at Top at GetClub Chess.

He Won: 346 and Lost: 25 and has got Highest Rating of 1528.

Chess Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Any there one who can beat "Help Bot"s Record???

He played all games without taking help from any Computer and beat
records of all players and reached the Top Ranking.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Sanny wrote:

Help bot is now at Top at GetClub Chess.

He Won: 346 and Lost: 25 and has got Highest Rating of 1528.


Actually, several of my "losses" were draws, but
hey, your expert programming team can't be
expected to know *everything* about the game of
chess. As I recall, I gave up on trying to get the
bogus "losses" corrected, after watching what TK
had to go through to protect his "perfect" record.


Any there one who can beat "Help Bot"s Record???

He played all games without taking help from any Computer and beat
records of all players and reached the Top Ranking.


Actually, after failing in my attempt to create a
second account (it said I already had an account
with the nomorechess email address), I decided
to risk my own incredible rating in a test of what
would happen in a QN odds game against a top
commercial program.

Much to my surprise, the GetClub program
held its piece advantage for a while, before
suddenly succumbing to a complex combination
which regained the piece for a pawn or two.
After that, it was no contest. This game can be
found by searching through my games looking
for the unique opening sequence:

1. Nc3 d5

2. Nb5 a6

3. Na7!!


At least I hope it is unique... .


-- help bot

Sanny did you still want to play our game ?
Your move..

* Actually, after failing in my attempt to create a
second account (it said I already had an account
with the nomorechess email address), I decided
to risk my own incredible rating in a test of what
would happen in a QN odds game against a top
commercial program.

Here is that Game
http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...012&game=Chess

I am unable to see how it got a Extra Knight. Actually it lost its
bishop after the 12th move.


* Much to my surprise, the GetClub program
held its piece advantage for a while, before
suddenly succumbing to a complex combination
which regained the piece for a pawn or two.
After that, it was no contest. *This game can be
found by searching through my games looking
for the unique opening sequence:

*1. Nc3 *d5
*2. Nb5 *a6
*3. Na7!!

This is the Worst Opening ever played by GetClub Chess. Looking at the
Game I found it played its first move in (16) seconds. So it do not
follow the opening Book. Instead It was playing without Opening.

Many times I have seen It do not play through the Opening, Looks like
there is some bug.

Here is the complete game.

The game was Over at 12th Move only. As It was going a Bishop down for
2 pawns.

Game Played between help bot and beginner at GetClub.com

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help bot: (Black)
beginner: (White)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...012&game=Chess
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White -- Black
(beginner) -- (help bot)

1. Ng1-f3{16} c7-c5{4}
2. Nb1-c3{6} d7-d5{4}
3. e2-e4{8} d5-d4{6}
4. Nc3-d5{6} e7-e6{4}
5. Nd5-f4{8} Nb8-c6{8}
6. Bf1-b5{12} Qd8-c7{6}
7. e4-e5{8} Bc8-d7{22}
8. Qd1-e2{14} a7-a6{48}
9. Bb5-d3{0} Bf8-e7{54}
10. Qe2-e4{6} Nc6-b4{16}
11. Nf4-h5{8} g7-g6{20}
12. Nh5-f4{8} c5-c4{28} {Game Finished here only as White is Bishop up
for Pawns.}
13. Nf3-d4{6} c4-d3{8}
14. c2-d3{8} Bd7-c6{22}
15. Qe4-e3{10} Ke8-c8{50}
16. Ke1-g1{10} Rd8-d4{20}
17. Qe3-d4{6} Nb4-c2{4}
18. Qd4-c3{8} Nc2-a1{20}
19. b2-b4{0} Qc7-b6{66}
20. d3-d4{8} Be7-b4{50}
21. Qc3-a1{6} Ng8-e7{8}
22. Rf1-d1{8} Rh8-d8{18}
23. Bc1-b2{0} Bc6-d5{46}
24. a2-a3{6} Bb4-a5{10}
25. d2-d3{20} Kc8-d7{20}
26. Qa1-b1{6} Rd8-c8{10}
27. Rd1-c1{10} Rc8-c6{44}
28. h2-h3{12} Ba5-d2{12}
29. Nf4-d5{6} Ne7-d5{40}
30. Rc1-c6{0} Qb6-c6{14}
31. Qb1-d1{12} Bd2-a5{76}
32. g2-g4{12} Nd5-f4{18}
33. d4-d5{6} Qc6-d5{20}
34. Qd1-a4{6} b7-b5{40}
35. Qa4-f4{12} Kd7-e8{24}
36. Qf4-e4{0} Qd5-e4{8}
37. d3-e4{6} Ke8-d7{10}
38. h3-h4{8} Kd7-c6{4}
39. f2-f3{6} Kc6-c5{4}
40. f3-f4{12} Ba5-d2{22}
41. f4-f5{6} Bd2-e3{8}
42. Kg1-g2{6} Be3-d4{2}
43. f5-e6{6} f7-e6{8}
44. Bb2-c1{18} Bd4-e5{12}
45. Kg2-f3{8} Kc5-c4{6}
46. a3-a4{6} b5-b4{10}
47. h4-h5{8} b4-b3{14}
48. h5-g6{30} h7-g6{4}
49. Kf3-e3{8} b3-b2{12}
50. Bc1-b2{6} Be5-b2{4}
51. Ke3-f4{6} Bb2-f6{8}
52. e4-e5{8} g6-g5{8}
53. Kf4-e4{18} Bf6-d8{10}
54. Ke4-e3{6} Kc4-d5{12}
55. Ke3-f2{12} Kd5-e5{6}
56. Kf2-f3{8} Bd8-b6{6}
57. Kf3-e2{16} Ke5-f4{6}
58. Ke2-d3{6} Kf4-g4{6}
59. Kd3-e4{6} Bb6-c7{4}
60. Ke4-e3{8} Kg4-f5{6}
61. Ke3-d4{12} Bc7-d6{10}
62. a4-a5{10} g5-g4{4}
63. Kd4-d3{6} g4-g3{6}
64. Kd3-e3{6} Kf5-g4{20}
65. Ke3-d3{6} Kg4-f3{8}
66. Kd3-c2{26} g3-g2{8}
67. Kc2-c1{6} Qg2-g1{Q}{6}
68. Kc1-b2{8} Qg1-e3{10}
69. Kb2-c3{6}
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help bot: (Black)
beginner: (White)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...012&game=Chess

In this game both White and Black made lots of mistake. As both lost
their pieces because of weak Tactics.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

On Apr 8, 10:16 am, Sanny wrote:

Actually, after failing in my attempt to create a
second account (it said I already had an account
with the nomorechess email address), I decided
to risk my own incredible rating in a test of what
would happen in a QN odds game against a top
commercial program.

Here is that Gamehttp://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM19012&game=Chess

I am unable to see how it got a Extra Knight. Actually it lost its
bishop after the 12th move.


Wrong game. I will find the game myself
and post a link here. Note that there is
only one game where I played Nc3-b5-a7,
deliberately giving away the Knight.

I only have control of one side, so I can't
do a "proper" QN-odds game, in which the
piece is simply removed before play begins.
In this game, Black got in the moves:

1. ...d5

2. ...a6


However, the capture 3. ...Rxa7 is an
inconvenience to Black.


Much to my surprise, the GetClub program
held its piece advantage for a while, before
suddenly succumbing to a complex combination
which regained the piece for a pawn or two.
After that, it was no contest. This game can be
found by searching through my games looking
for the unique opening sequence:

1. Nc3 d5
2. Nb5 a6
3. Na7!!


The game posted here by Sanny seems to
indicate that he is not familiar with algebraic
notation; instead of my Nc3 he found a recent
game in which I played Nf3, for instance.


-- help bot

On Apr 8, 10:16 am, Sanny wrote:

Actually, after failing in my attempt to create a
second account (it said I already had an account
with the nomorechess email address), I decided
to risk my own incredible rating in a test of what
would happen in a QN odds game against a top
commercial program.


Here is a link to the correct game:

http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...202&game=Chess


-- help bot

* Actually, after failing in my attempt to create a
second account (it said I already had an account
with the nomorechess email address), I decided
to risk my own incredible rating in a test of what
would happen in a QN odds game against a top
commercial program.

* Here is a link to the correct game:

http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...202&game=Chess

So you used Computers help in that Game. Thats why I though how you
played so fast as with Beginner Level you think 1-2 min/ move So for
Normal Level you will think 3-4 min/ move at Complex Position. But you
took just 1-2 min against Normal Level.

I was surprised to see your giving the Knight for no reasions.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

On Apr 9, 2:37 am, Sanny wrote:

Here is a link to the correct game:

http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...202&game=Chess

So you used Computers help in that Game.


No. What I did in that game was attempt to
simulate a real QN-odds game between the
GetClub program and a top commercial chess
engine. I did not interfere except in three ways:

1. I decided the setting for the program's
contempt factor.

2. I invented the moves by which the program
would "hang" its Queen's Knight.

3. I decided when to play the move displayed,
the cut-off time.


There is a BIG difference between being a
mere computer operator, and playing "with the
aid of" a computer. For instance, I hated it
when the program captured the pawn on e5,
because it meant that two more pieces were
going to get traded off "evenly". But... that
decision was not mine to make, as I was
just the operator.


Thats why I though how you
played so fast as with Beginner Level you think 1-2 min/ move So for
Normal Level you will think 3-4 min/ move at Complex Position. But you
took just 1-2 min against Normal Level.


In this odds game, I considered it unfair to
press the program to move quickly; instead,
I gave it plenty of time. Had the odds been,
say, a pawn, I would have set a limit to give
the GetClub program a fair chance; perhaps
one or two seconds. But such small odds
are pointless; why not instead just give time
odds?


I was surprised to see your giving the Knight for no reasions.


In a normal QN-odds game, that piece is
simply removed before play begins; both
programs would then be "out of book", and
it is customary for the odds-giver to move
first (as White).

I believe it would be reasonable to play a
Rook-odds game or match between these
programs, but hanging the Rook is not so
easy to accomplish in the first few moves.
Ideally, the Rook would be removed before
play begins, and it is customary to place
White's QR-pawn on a3 instead of a2
(where it would be undefended due to the
gambit Rook).


-- help bot

* I believe it would be reasonable to play a
Rook-odds game or match between these
programs, but hanging the Rook is not so
easy to accomplish in the first few moves.
Ideally, the Rook would be removed before
play begins, and it is customary to place
White's QR-pawn on a3 instead of a2
(where it would be undefended due to the
gambit Rook).

I do not like the idea of Playing with Riik odds. Why not you play
with Normal & Master Level without use of Computer. Lets see how you
score against the Normal/ Master Level.

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

I feel it would be much difficult to win them as they now play much
good game.

GetClub Program is only for Human Opponents.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

On Apr 9, 3:55 am, Sanny wrote:

I do not like the idea of Playing with Riik odds. Why not you play
with Normal & Master Level without use of Computer. Lets see how you
score against the Normal/ Master Level.

Those levels have very low ratings; I prefer to
play the best. ;D


I feel it would be much difficult to win them as they now play much
good game.

It takes me all night to play a single game
against one of the top levels, and if I draw it
gets scored as a loss for me. The only way
I know to win against, say, the Advance
level, is to hide behind a wall of locked
center pawns, waiting for stupid mistakes.

But against the Beginner level, I can have
fun and gain rating points at the same time!
Maybe *you* should play the higher levels,
to get the ratings more in line with reality.

Seriously, my notebook's cooling fan
cranks at top speed all night long when I
play the higher levels, and every disconnect
means I have to reconnect and let the
program think another hour to get back to
where I was. I know the quality of play will
go down the toilet when we reach the
endgame, so I tend to trade down to
drawable positions-- a bad habit to get into.

I will play the top levels once in a while, it
you *truly* believe there is some fantastic
"improvement" which makes me lose like
a carrot. But 99.9% of those comments
amount to nothing but hot air-- say, do you
know a player named nearly-IMnes? ;D

I did not play at QN-odds to ridicule the
GetClub program. As I said, the program
held its piece advantage for a while, and
where it lost the piece back there were
immense complications. I also played
out your game against Ivan from the lost
position after ...Bh4+, just to see if a top
chess engine could salvage something.

It turned out that Fritz 5.32 only drew the
"easy win"! Going back in time, we know
that the Fritz 5.32 engine was considered
to be grandmaster strength; but today's
best engines are so strong that even a
"weak GM" cannot stand the heat. Even
so, I recently discovered a *simple* chess
position where the top programs don't have
a clue-- unless they are connected to the
endgame table-bases, that is.

The reason for these odds games is to
display the "miracles" such programs can
often pull off, as well as to highlight the
immense differences in strength even at
such high levels where both programs
might crush 95%+ of human opponents.


-- help bot