I'd need some Crosstables results of as big as possible round robin
tournaments. Where can I find them ? Computer tournaments could be good too,
but human would be better.

Thanks,
frengo

frengo wrote:
I'd need some Crosstables results of as big as possible round robin
tournaments. Where can I find them ? Computer tournaments could be good too,
but human would be better.

Thanks,
frengo



Look for Megadatabase and tourn. with chess champions

"frengo" wrote in message
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I'd need some Crosstables results of as big as possible round robin
tournaments. Where can I find them ? Computer tournaments could be good
too, but human would be better.

Thanks,
frengo

http://msa.uschess.org

frengo wrote:
I'd need some Crosstables results of as big as possible round robin
tournaments. Where can I find them ? Computer tournaments could be good too,
but human would be better.

If memory serves, the biggest round-robin, in terms of number of
players, was New York 1889, won jointly by Chigorin and Weiss. There
were 20 participants, and they all played each other at least twice --
in some cases three times, because in the second cycle if they drew
their first game against a given opponent, it was replayed; only a
second draw counted.
This crosstable can be found in any number of books. The best
reference for crosstables in general is Gaige's "Chess Tournament
Crosstables"; it has 4 volumes covering 1851-1900, 1901-1910,
1911-1920, and 1921-1930 respectively. However, they are a bit hard to
come by. Two books currently in print that have NY 1889 are "Amos Burn"
by Richard Forster and "Chess Results 1747-1900" by Gino DiFelice.
Another you may be able to get most cheaply is "The Complete Book of
Chess Tournament Crosstables 1851-1948" by Rick Melton, though it is
seriously misnamed, being nowhere near complete with too many errors.
The DiFelice book is OK for tournaments, but not so accurate about
matches.

Taylor Kingston wrote:
If memory serves, the biggest round-robin, in terms of number of
players, was New York 1889, won jointly by Chigorin and Weiss. There
were 20 participants, and they all played each other at least twice --
in some cases three times, because in the second cycle if they drew
their first game against a given opponent, it was replayed; only a
second draw counted.

There was also, according to Fritz 8's database, a four-game play-off
match between Chigorin and Weiss, all four games of which were drawn.
There were forty-eight replayed games and, in fact, Burn and Weiss played
each other four times because they drew the first game in both halves of
the double round-robin.

I feel a bit sorry for the participants of Weiss-Chigorin and Lipschuetz-
Burn who fought for 95 and 85 moves, respectively, and then had to do it
all again. I'm not entirely sure why Burn and Blackburne played a
fifteen-move grandmaster draw, knwoing full-well that they'd have to play
again. Perhaps one of them had a headache...

I'm also surprised they didn't have at least one player die during such a
long tournament!


Dave.

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