"Sam Sloan" wrote in message ...
| Rook wave in Germany and somebody named JoanneB in the Netherlands
| have this morning vandalized the entire Tom Dorsch article, removing
| almost everything except that he was once a professional poker player.
|
| Go take a look and please advise.
|
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Dorsch
|
| Sam Sloan

Bravo, Ralf, we (the majority of chess players) applaud your decision.
Thanks for smacking down Sam Sloan, it was fun watching you destroy his
arguments. I pity anyone who reads a Sam Sloan post/article and considers
it factual or correct. My view on Sam Sloan is one of comedic relief,
not someone to take seriously.

-CF

You obviously know little or nothing about Tom Dorsch. Why was this a
personal attack? Tom Dorsch has written extensively about whore houses
and girlie bars in Tijuana in 1963, especially about a young virgin
whore named "Charlie the Crab".

Hm...a virgin whore. Now THAT's interesting if not entirely possible!

Sam Sloan wrote:
Rook wave in Germany and somebody named JoanneB in the Netherlands
have this morning vandalized the entire Tom Dorsch article, removing
almost everything except that he was once a professional poker player.

I didn't remove anything after my first edits a few days ago. Please
stay to the facts. What I did, I asked for a vote for deletion. If you
have got a problem with the changes by JoanneB, discuss it on
Wikipedia, don't whine in this group. You are simply ignoring the
criticisms by several Wikipedia admins. If you want to keep it "your"
article, just follow the advices and remove all personal rantings. OK,
this would be more than 90% of the original article...

Is there really nothing you have to say about Tom Dorsch, except things
like "he didn't pay his rents in 1962" and his feuds he faught with
other people? Man, this is stuff from the kindergarten.

You said, Tom Dorsch is well known. Try to tell in the article "why"
this is the case, for what is he well known outside these newsgroups,
what were his achievements. Try to look at this article as somebody who
just wants to know about a guy called "Tom Dorsch". Don't you think,
you are required to give him an idea, why Tom Dorsch is notable in the
first place? If you can't do this, what is the purpose of this article
at all?

Do you really think, that somebody, who doesn't know Tom Dorsch and
looks him up in the Wikipedia, wants to know, that this man knew whores
in Tijuana in the 60s and walked into your apartment minutes after JFK
has been shot?

Greetings,
Ralf

Hello,

Thanks for smacking down Sam Sloan,

it's not my intention to smack this man, it's more a collateral damage.
I am just annoyed that this sort of stuff gets into Wikipedia. It would
be another example of the poor quality of articles - and it ridicules
chess players as strange fellows, who are more interested in the
personal curiosities of functionaries than in the game itself, or at
least the players. (Could you imagine a somebody calling himsel a
basketball expert, who regards a College-League referee as more popular
than Kobe Bryant, and writes a Wikipedia entry about this referee twice
the size of the star's entry?)

But I admit, now I am very curious where all this will lead to.

Greetings,
Ralf

A new discussion on the Dorsch controversy has broken out this
morning. It is posted at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiped...ion/Tom_Dorsch

Rook wave, who posts here as
Ralf Callenberg
is arguing hard that the entire Tom Dorsch biography should be
deleted.

So far there are two votes to keep. Based on past experience, there
will be a lot move votes cast, probably at least 15 or 20.
None of the people debating this issue are known chess players. It is
interesting to read what people who do not play chess think about
chess players.

Sam Sloan

For the record, my goal is to trash Tom Dorsch. It's a personal thing.
Please vote on Wikipedia to trash Tom Dorsch please.

Sam Sloan

Ralf Callenberg wrote:
Sam Sloan wrote:
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As can be seen, Tom Dorsch qualifies under several of these criterea.
Incidentally, I was asked by several people to write his biography and
I resisted doing so for a long time. But now that I have done it, I
think that just about everybody here with the exception of yourself
will agree that Tom Dorsch easily meets the standard.

Well, maybe there is a place for him in Wikipedia. But certainly
not such a bunch of silly personal trivia you have put into it.

Has Sam Sloan mentioned the fact that Tom Dorsch's a USCF master?
It's true that being a USCF master seems insignificant by world
standards, but it's a distinction that Sam Sloan never has achieved.

--Nick

{{subst:test-n|Tom Dorsch}}

The rules as posted at [[Wikipedia:Guide_to_deletion]] clearly state
that you may edit an article while an AFD is pending, but you may not
blank it. By deleting all but three meaningless sentences,
[[User:JoanneB]] has effectively blanked the article. There are good
reasons for the Wikipedia Rule. One is that by blanking the article,
those who vote on AFD will not know what they are voting for. Indeed,
anybody looking at the article as it stands now will not understand
why the subject is notable or even why this biography is on Wikipedia.

It is also noteworthy that [[User:Rook_wave]], the person calling for
this article to be deleted, is in Germany and JoanneB is in the
Netherlands. What would happen is an American user called for the
biography of a German football player to be deleted?

Accordingly, I am reverting the article to the way it was when Rook
wave first posted the AFD and I am posting a warning on the user page
of JoanneB.

Sam Sloan wrote:
It is
interesting to read what people who do not play chess think about
chess players.

Indeed, as most people reading Wikipedia are not chess players.

Greetings,
Ralf Callenberg

It would be most helpful if anybody here went to the Wikipedia
site and added a paragraph or two or even a sentence about Tom Dorsch.

Also, please go to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiped...ion/Tom_Dorsch
and vote to keep. Right now the same three prople are over and over
again demanding that the article be deleted. One person even said that
Dorsch being treasurer of the USCF was comparable to being the
treasurer of a bowling league.

You may not agree with my biography, but I think you will agree that
Dorsch is worthy of a biography.

Sam Sloan