The Historian wrote:

How was that not an accurate description of Sloan?

This vote is not about Sam Sloane, but about the article about Tom
Dorsch. In this context it simply doesn't matter who or what Sam Sloan is.

Greetings,
Ralf

Ralf Callenberg wrote:
The Historian wrote:

How was that not an accurate description of Sloan?

This vote is not about Sam Sloane, but about the article about Tom
Dorsch. In this context it simply doesn't matter who or what Sam Sloan is.

Nonsense. Knowing what Sloan is helps the reader judge the article.

Greetings,
Ralf

The Historian wrote:


This vote is not about Sam Sloane, but about the article about Tom
Dorsch. In this context it simply doesn't matter who or what Sam Sloan
is.


Nonsense. Knowing what Sloan is helps the reader judge the article.

No you are completely wrong. The article speaks for himself, and he
should do so.

I am sure, the administrators don't care who Sam Sloan is. They just
look at the article and the subject of it. You just have to imagine you
are somebody who doesn't know Sam Sloan or Tom Dorsch and reads this
article and has to decide what to do. Then some other guy, probably
unregistered user, just pops up and claims that the author is a
psychopath. Why should you believe him? Maybe he has his own quarrel
with him, you don't know about. At least I would give **** about what
others say about the author, if I had to judge a text. And if other
opinions are provided by people who obviosly have a bias against the
author, I would be very sceptic about any judgement they offer.

Greetings,
Ralf

I agree with you Ralf. I'm sorry I'm just a prick. Please delete it.

Sam Sloan

3 March 2006

Tom Dorsch

User:Howcheng who admitted that he knew nothing about the subject
matter of this article, which was chess, deleted my highly acclaimed
and popular article about Tom Dorsch, who is one of the best known
chess players in the world. Ever since, any time anybody does not like
one of my articles, they write to User:Howcheng and he continues to
harass me.

Prior to being deleted, my article on Tom Dorsch was modified by a
dozen different editors who in some cases added more information.
Therefore, I cannot simply reinstate the article I wrote. I need to
recover what everybody else contributed.

In addition, User:Howcheng showed his utter ignorance of the people
involved, with the following statement:

"User:Sam Sloan is free to request a review of the deletion at WPRV.
I suppose I did not need to make the snarky comment about meatpuppets,
but Mr Sloan clearly does not understand AfD is not a vote."

However, it is rather User:Howcheng who does not understand. Here is
what User:Howcheng wrote at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiped...ion/Tom_Dorsch

"The result of the debate was delete. When meatpuppets call for
deletion, you know it's bad. howcheng {chat} 20:09, 29 December 2005
(UTC)"

His reference to "meatpuppets" clearly referred to Randy Bauer. This
is the problem when User:Howcheng intervenes not knowing the subject
matter. Randy Bauer was the Budget Director of the State of Iowa. He
ran against me for election to the USCF Executive Board. Here are the
results of the election on July 22, 2005 (which can be found through
an Internet search): Randy Bauer 1591 Sam Sloan 1064

The other supposed "meatpuppet" was Louis Blair, an Internet gadfly
who attacks me all the time. In addition, User:Rook_wave, who made the
deletion request, voted six times for deletion, and User:Billbrock who
put me on a list of Pedophiles in Wikipedia voted three times for
deletion. At the same time, there were a number of famous
International Chess Masters and chess personalities who voted to keep
the article. If you discount the six votes by Rook wave, the three
votes by Billbrock and the other votes by persons who clearly dislike
me or Dorsch, then a majority voted to keep the article.

The act by User:Howcheng to delete my Tom Dorsch article was clearly
wrong. Every knowledgable person agrees that Tom Dorsch is a notable
person. The fact that some people dislike me or dislike Tom Dorsch is
not a proper grounds for deletion. Sam Sloan 03:03, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

I need an order of protection telling [[User:Howcheng}} to stay from
my articles until he learns something about chess. Sam Sloan 03:03, 4
March 2006 (UTC)

In addition, User:Howcheng showed his utter ignorance of the people
involved, with the following statement:


User:Howcheng showed good judgment in deleting the Tom Dorsch diatribe
as submiited by Scam Sloan.




The other supposed "meatpuppet" was Louis Blair, an Internet gadfly


Pot calling the kettle black.


The act by User:Howcheng to delete my Tom Dorsch article was clearly
wrong.

The act by User:Howcheng to delete your Tom Dorsch article was clearly
right.


Every knowledgable person agrees that Tom Dorsch is a notable
person.

Every knowledgable person agrees that Tom Dorsch is not a notable
person - just a former USCF functionary.



I need an order of protection telling [[User:Howcheng}} to stay from
my articles until he learns something about chess. Sam Sloan 03:03, 4
March 2006 (UTC)


I wish User:Howcheng continued success in deleting Scam Sloan's garbage
from Wikipedia.

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User:Howcheng made an unprovoked personal attack by calling my
political opponents my "meatpuppets". See
Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Tom_Dorsch By calling Randy Bauer, who
was the Budget Director of the State of Iowa, my "meatpuppet", he
insulted him. Had User:Howcheng spent just five minutes searching the
Internet, he would have found that Randy Bauer was my election
opponent for the Executive Board of the United States Chess
Federation. Randy Bauer got about 1500 votes, I received 1051 votes.

Based upon his claim that Randy Bauer was my "meatpuppet",
User:Howcheng blanked my biography of Tom Dorsch. Tom Dorsch is one of
the best known chess personalities in the world and is far better
known than most of the persons who have biographies posted on
Wikipedia.

Because of User:Howcheng doing this, I stopped posting content for
three months. Finally last night, I posted a new biography, and less
than ten minutes later User:Howcheng threatened to block me.

So, User:Howcheng violated two Wikipedia rules. First, he called a
person who ran against me for election my "meatpuppet" and then he
completely blanked and erased the history of a person who is one of
the best known chess players in the world.

Since User:Howcheng has done this repeatedly over a long period of
time, I am asking that he be reprimanded and told to stay away from my
articles.

Wikipedia policy is to encourage the posting by experts. I am clearly
qualified as an expert on chess. There have been hundreds of published
articles by me about chess. Every major chess magazine in the world
has published articles by me. On the other hand, User:Howcheng admits
that he knows nothing about chess, except that he played one game
while in high school. He should be directed not to interfere in a
subject he knows nothing about. Sam Sloan 11:22, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

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Category: Wikipedia dispute resolution

Wikipedia policy is to encourage the posting by experts. I am clearly
qualified as an expert on chess. There have been hundreds of published
articles by me about chess. Every major chess magazine in the world
has published articles by me. On the other hand, User:Howcheng admits
that he knows nothing about chess, except that he played one game
while in high school. He should be directed not to interfere in a
subject he knows nothing about. Sam Sloan 11:22, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Third_opinion"

Category: Wikipedia dispute resolution

Sam you have my support. You write fantastic articles on chess not only here
on usenet.

Regards

If you discount the six votes by Rook wave, the three votes by
Billbrock and the other votes by persons who clearly dislike me or
Dorsch, then a majority voted to keep the article.

The act by User:Howcheng to delete my Tom Dorsch article was clearly
wrong. Every knowledgable person agrees that Tom Dorsch is a notable
person. The fact that some people dislike me or dislike Tom Dorsch is
not a proper grounds for deletion. Sam Sloan 03:03, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

I need an order of protection telling User:Howcheng to stay from my
articles until he learns something about chess. Sam Sloan 03:03, 4
March 2006 (UTC)

* Where would you propose we get an order of protection from?
-Splashtalk 03:37, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

* Strongly endorse closure, keep deleted and salt the earth. Here
is the AFD debate, see also Sam Sloan's attack page and this thread on
Usenet. It seems that the complainant may possibly have ownership
issues and is very obviously anything but neutral. But since this is
allegedly one of the most significant figures in chess it should be
trivially easy to verify that significance. The assertion is not borne
out by numerous well-argued "delete" statements in the (validly
closed) AfD. Howcheng seems to have no prior involvement with the
article, and is just the janitor here, closing a rather messy AfD but
one with a decent number of contributions from which consensus can be
established. Looking at the article and its history, and the AfD, I
can quite believe that deletion might be followed by intense acrimony,
but that is not Howcheng's doing. The content itself is an unpleasant
mixture of snide innuendo and blatant attack, and very clearly has no
place on Wikipedia in this form. Even pre-Seighenthaler we would have
deleted or at least aggressively pruned this article, essentially to a
stub of verifiable information (which verifiable information
conspicuously fails to establish notability). Absent any willingness
on the part of the subject's supporters to substantiate notability,
and on the part of his detractors to allow WP:NPOV, I would say that
this is best gone, and there is no doubt in my mind that this DRV is
vexatious and should be speedily closed as such. Just zis Guy you
know? 09:56, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

I need to point out that two of the pages cited by Just zis Guy you
know? were NOT written by me. There are at least two FAKE SAM SLOANS
trolling Usenet, especially on rec.games.chess.politics . Regular
readers of Usenet can quickly tell the difference between the real and
the fake Sam Sloan's, but Wikipedia administrators probably will not
be familiar with this problem and will not realize that they are
reading something by an imposter.

Also, the article cited above at http://www.samsloan.com/tomswife.htm
called "Sam Sloan's attack page" is not an attack at all. Tom Dorsch
wrote that my mother was insane in California. My mother was a
psychiatrist, treating insane people, and she was from Virginia and
had never been to California. The attack by Tom Dorsch on me was
apparently provoked by a posting from one of the Fake Sam Sloans. Back
then, it was not as well known as it is now that there were fake Sam
Sloans trolling around and Dorsch probably did not realize it. Sam
Sloan 12:15, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiped...iew#Tom_Dorsch

"Sam Sloan" wrote in message ...

User:Howcheng made an unprovoked personal attack by calling my
political opponents my "meatpuppets". See

Interesting how Sloan, who made unprovoked attacks against Dorsch and
Winter via Wikeipedia is crying foul when he feels attacked. Well boo hoo!
Me thinks Sloans likes to dish it out, but cannot take it.

(Also, for you readers that have not done so, now is the time to go to Wikipedia
page and register your attack (I mean vote) for deleting Sloan's Winter article.
While Wikipedia may have its short-comings, we all should pitch in and get this
cesspit called Scam Sloan banned from using Wikipedia as a forum for personal
attacks.)