wrote:

DOES THE SHOE FIT?

Edward Winter probably isn't related to William Winter, but
who knows for sure? Edward is camera-shy and I have never
seen a photo of "the world's greatest chess historian" (pace
IM John Donaldson).

I do know for a fact that someone who sent a letter to Edward
Winter mistakenly addressed the envelope to William Winter.
In his response to this harmless error Edward had a fit.

Och! now really - you gotta be having a wee joke mon or I suppose the
fabled E. Winter might deign to stand up or bow down or something..

Louis Blair wrote:

Comments at Wikipedia:
_
"You ... keep insisting that because I know
nothing about chess, I don't have the authority
to act on those articles. Guess what, you're
wrong. It's about time you learned this fact."
- Howcheng (08:02, 5 March 2006 (UTC))
_
"Keep Deleted the editor requesting undeletion
has a personal disagreement with the subject
of the article, so while it's not autobiographical,
I believe it still falls under the guideline of not
writing about 'subjects in which you are
personally involved' as per WP:AUTO due to
the same potential problems of bias, unverifibilty
and OR." - MartinRe (13:05, 5 March 2006 (UTC))

Em, thanks for sharing that with us Louise..

michael adams wrote:
Rob wrote:

If you want to see the real Winter website... this is it.

http://tinyurl.com/ns43m

Or maybe:-http://johnnywinter.net/bio/

Oh No. another victim of MPD

Sam,

Who gives a **** about an "encyclopedia" that is written by committee by
anyone with a computer?

adp


"Sam Sloan" wrote in message
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Edward G. Winter
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Edward Winter is a noted journalist and author about chess. Winter is
primarily known for always attacking Grandmaster Raymond Keene. Keene
is the chess columnist for the The Times and The Spectator in London
and has written more than one hundred chess books. For the past more
than 30 years, every time a new book by Keene has come out or a new
article by Keene has been published, Edward Winter has written
articles attacking it.

There is no known or verifiable biographical information on Winter,
not even a birth year, because, for the past 30 years, nobody has met
or seen Edward Winter. Winter writes from a house address in Geneva,
Switzerland. Private detectives, hired by the victims of his frequent
attacks, have staked out that house, hoping to catch a glimpse of
Edward Winter, but nobody has seen him there. There is a difference of
opinion between whether Edward Winter is a real name or a pseudonym.

Keene is convinced that the Edward Winter who attacks him all the time
is the same person as a tournament chess player by that name who had
some run-ins with Keene in the early 1970s. However, the majority view
seems to be that Edward Winter is a pseudonym.

In just the past few years, Edward Winter has branched out and
diversified his activities. Now, he does not only attack Keene. Winter
also attacks Bobby Fischer, Larry Evans and Eric Schiller, although
Keene remains the principal subject of his attacks.

In a radio broadcast from the Philippines in 2003, Bobby Fischer
expressed the opinion that Edward Winter does not exist.

Attention has focused on Taylor Kingston, a chess journalist in
Vermont. Kingston is about the same age that Winter appears to be.
Kingston is from the same part of England that Winter is believed to
be from. Kingston writes in the same style as Winter. Kingston attacks
the same people that Winter attacks, although Kingston also attacks a
few additional people, mostly Americans, that Winter does not attack,
such as Larry Parr and Don Schultz. Also, if anybody writes anything
bad about Edward Winter, Kingston will attack that person while
defending Winter.

Parodies have appeared. Chess politician Tom Dorsch writes articles as
Edward Spring, parodying the style of Edward Winter.

In 1986 at World Chess Olympiad in Dubai, Raymond Keene backed a
candidate for FIDE President. Edward Winter filed an ethics complaint
with the FIDE Congress accusing Keene of unethical conduct in writing
books almost exclusively about opening theory, whereas Winter said
there should be more books about chess history. Keene's opponent was
Florencio Campomanes who Winter supported. Campomanes had Winter's
ethics complaint translated into all five FIDE languages, including
Arabic, and distributed to all the delegates. The showdown came at the
FIDE General Assembly in Dubai. With one hundred FIDE member nations
represented there, not one delegate was willing to speak or to vote in
favor of Winter's ethics complaint.

Winter publishes a regular column called Chess Notes. This column is
exactly what it claims to be, because it contains brief commentaries
usually not more than one or two paragraphs in length attacking
usually insignificant errors and spelling mistakes made by this or
that chess writer. If a book by Keene contains a spelling mistake,
Chess Notes will point it out.

Assessment of the qualities of Edward Winter varies widely. John
Donaldson has called him "the world's greatest chess historian".
However, one reviewer notes: "His attention to the most insignificant
detail is more than apparent. . . . His reviews and criticisms as
contained within this volume can be biting to say the least. In fact
he will probably leave some readers wondering whether the almost
gleeful maliciousness he exhibits in his frequent negative assessments
is perhaps worse than the chess culprits he is critiquing."

In the last few years, the attacks by Winter on his increasingly long
list of perceived enemies has increased, and more and more chess
publications have refused to publish the articles by Edward Winter.
Most recently, ChessCafe' and Hanon Russell Enterprises stopped
publishing anything by Winter and apparently removed the book reviews
by Winter from the archives. Prior to that, from 1998 to 2001, New In
Chess magazine had carried Chess Notes, subject to the strict
condition that Winter not say anything about Keene. It was about that
time that Winter branched out and started attacking other people
instead of just attacking everything by Keene.

Nowadays, no chess magazine in the world is willing to publish Chess
Notes, but Winter is publishing books.

Although Winter has attacked Keene hundreds and possibly even
thousands of times, Keene has rarely said anything about Winter.
However, at http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1013565 Keene
comments at some length. Keene believes that Winter is the same person
as a student who was born in 1956. Keene writes, "Actually I really
don't follow Edward Winter at all. I just see him as a naughty
schoolboy who likes annoying his elders. He was a schoolboy at
Cardinal Newman School in Brighton and taught chess by my friend
Julian Simpole who could beat him with his eyes closed literally.
Winter was about 15 years old when I was already British Champion.

Since Keene became British Champion in 1971, this puts Winter as
having been born in 1956. If true, this means that Winter started
attacking Keene when Winter was in his late teens or early 20s. This
puts Winter at almost exactly the same age as Taylor Kingston (whose
name may also be a pseudonym).


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Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_G._Winter"

Categories: Living people | British chess players | Chess players

Sam, you may have made several good points in your long post, but you
really mucked up with regard to Edward Winter. Attempting to define
Winter only in relation to his (very frequent) attacks on Keene is akin
to describing Sherlock Holmes as merely the arch-enemy of Moriarty; it
misses the forest for the trees. Keene is simply not so important that
everything revolves around him.

Winter would be better described as a historian (or antiquarian), who
happens to have a long-running feud with Keene (and vice versa). His
constant nitpicking steps on a lot of toes, since spelling errors and
the like are so common. [Thank goodness he never attacks me; but then
I never make such errors.]

Hello,

it might be interesting to have a look at the current version of this
article. It underwent some heavy editing the last days, meanwhile nearly
completely emptied. But some anonymous author has provided now a very
well written version from scratch. From the original version just the
first sentence "Edward Winter is a noted journalist and author about
chess." is left. Starting as a completely crappy article it has become
some positive example of what can be found in Wikipedia. The author
seems to be quite fond of Winter, but he provides pro and contra and at
least it's somebody who knows how to write.

Greetings,
Ralf

Ralf Callenberg napisal(a):
Hello,

it might be interesting to have a look at the current version of this
article. It underwent some heavy editing the last days, meanwhile nearly
completely emptied. But some anonymous author has provided now a very
well written version from scratch. From the original version just the
first sentence "Edward Winter is a noted journalist and author about
chess." is left. Starting as a completely crappy article it has become
some positive example of what can be found in Wikipedia. The author
seems to be quite fond of Winter, but he provides pro and contra and at
least it's somebody who knows how to write.

I don`t think so.
The version by Sam Sloan was full of improtant details that are not
shown in this version.
Now Wiki readers do not know where and what E.Winter wrote and writes
and what specifically are pro and cons of his writings.

Jerzy wrote:


I don`t think so.
The version by Sam Sloan was full of improtant details that are not
shown in this version.
Now Wiki readers do not know where and what E.Winter wrote and writes
and what specifically are pro and cons of his writings.


In Sloan's version you could only read, whom he attacked, who was
against him, or not, and there were some speculations about persons who
might be the 'real' Winter. Only gossip. It is now, that you can
actually get an idea what he is writing about, which was only hinted at
in the first version.

I give you the benefit of the doubt, that you are joking here.

Greetings,
Ralf

Ralf Callenberg napisal(a):


In Sloan's version you could only read, whom he attacked, who was
against him, or not, and there were some speculations about persons who
might be the 'real' Winter. Only gossip. It is now, that you can
actually get an idea what he is writing about, which was only hinted at
in the first version.

I give you the benefit of the doubt, that you are joking here.

No, in Sloan`s version there were important details which are missing
in the present version.

Hypothesis about reality of E.Winter is important too. We do not know
much about him, he is an anonym to most of us. It`s not the case with
majority of real chess writers.

Jerzy wrote:
Ralf Callenberg napisal(a):

In Sloan's version you could only read, whom he attacked, who was
against him, or not, and there were some speculations about persons who
might be the 'real' Winter. Only gossip. It is now, that you can
actually get an idea what he is writing about, which was only hinted at
in the first version.

I give you the benefit of the doubt, that you are joking here.

No, in Sloan`s version there were important details which are missing
in the present version.

I agree with Ralf that Jerzy must be joking here. Some of Sam's
"important details" from his original Wikipedia article:

"Attention has focused on Taylor Kingston, a chess journalist in
Vermont." -- Making it sound like the FBI is investigating whether I am
Winter's "real" identity. In fact, the only "attention" thus "focused"
has been Sloan's, because he's the only person deluded enough to think
so.

"Kingston is about the same age that Winter appears to be." -- Since
Sam does not know Winter's age, how can he be sure? I would guess that
Winter could be anywhere from about 10 years younger to decades older
than I.

"Kingston is from the same part of England that Winter is believed to
be
from." - I think Sam must be the only person in the world who thinks
that Vermont (where I live now) and San Diego, California (where I was
born and lived until 1980) are part of England. And what "part of
England" is Winter supposedly from? Sloan does not know.

Hypothesis about reality of E.Winter is important too. We do not know
much about him, he is an anonym to most of us. It`s not the case with
majority of real chess writers.

I will admit to some curiousity myself, but if Winter wishes privacy,
it should be respected. As far as chess literature is concerned, what
matters is the quality of Winter's contribution. That is considerable.